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[QUOTE]Originally posted by S.Mohammad: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by homeylu: The archaeological evidence correspond with Biblical accounts. If anyone is taking the Bible literal to make their arguments its both Neo*geo and S. Mohamad. Since your arguments are alway based on literal accounts-"Prove this person existed" "prove that person existed" both of you are trying to be way too technical.[/QUOTE] If archaeological accounts correspond to biblical account please provide acrhaeological evidence thatther was ever an Exodus of Jews from Egypt. The literal accounts are what matters because theyare documented. There is no documented account of an Exodus from Egypt. [QUOTE]S. Mohamad, the reason I've never refuted your language argument "which is all you have" is because its irrelevant in ths discussion. A language spoken by people don't determine their race, as English is spoken by amost every race of man on earth. So what's the point of arguing linguistics when we're talking race.[/QUOTE] It this discussion it does hold relevance because you said ALL Hamites were black people who spoke Hamitic languages. In fact you ent as fr to say that Canaanites were black Hamitic speaking people who wre conquered by Israelites and that Canaanites adopted the language of the Israelites, something we know that did not happen, linguistically speaking. You haven't shown the slightest bit of proof that Canaanites were originally black, you simply tried to use the old 'since ham qwas black, all hamites were black' argument. Nothing in science backs this up. [s]Scientist today all agree that race as a continuum today is the same as it has always been. So eliminitating "experts" and dealing with the common person. If you asked anyone what's the race of the people that rule Europe, they would more than likely say "white", and conversely for West Africa, they would more than likely say "Black". As the common person is not an "expert" on the hundreds of racial classifications that exist in the scientific community. As I seriously doubt a common response would be that "they are Indo-Euopean Caucosoids with the Y chromosome..." Get the point!![/s] A bunch of jargon insigificant to this discussion [QUOTE]In the Histories, Herodotus described the Egyptians as Black People, would he be incorrect for not referring to them as an "Eastern Mediterranean Caucosoid People, that spoke a language derived from the Afro-Asiatic group.????" yet this is your logic.[/QUOTE] My logi isn't that and when have I ever referred to Egyptins as Eastern Mediterranean Caucasoids? [QUOTE]The Egyptians depicted in "The Mural of Races"-whether it was called as such by them or not 3 distinct racial groups. The artists never considered themselves "anthropologists", but common observers of what was "apparent" to them.[/QUOTE] This had nothing to do with race. The Egyptians painted themselves in a variety of colors, yet you refer to Egyptians as a black population without acknowledging that at various times Egyptians painted themselves different colors. There is no mural of races. [QUOTE]Ham, Shem, and Japheth could be considered the major categories of races apparent to the Hebrews, and their "sons" could be none other than the nations they ruled. Wally has already showed you how "Ham" meant Black, Shem "dusky" or brown, and Japheth meant "fair" or "white" in Hebrew.[/QUOTE] They were not considered as races by ebrews, they were talking about families nd nations and where these people would settle, it had nothing to do with race. Wally has sown noting, he simply copied verbatim the interpretations of others. [QUOTE]Even though Egypt consisted of various complexions of people, eyewitness accounts of most Ancient authors would describe the Egyptians as Black, the Arabs as Yellow, and the Greeks as white.[/QUOTE] Arabs as YELLOW?????? This is pure nonsense, the purest Arabs are ot yellow, have you seen those very dark Bedouins and southern Arabs in Yemen and Oman? They are FAR, VERY FAR from being yellow, please find one eyewitness account that describes Arabs as yellow. Arabs are supposed to be Semites and since ou quoted Wally(LOL) as saying he proved Sem meant 'dusky' how the hell are YELLOW and dusky the same? I have heard all kind of meaning of what Sem means from 'semi'(your words, meaning in between black and white) now it means dusky? Make up your minds and quit dancing around the issue. [QUOTE]If anything you're the simple-minded ones, that think Blacks stopped right at the border of Egypt (southern Egypt-or most of you) and didnt settle anywhere else in Ancient times[/QUOTE] You're full of it now, really. When have I ever said blacks stoppe at the border of Egypt, as in southern Egypt? Don't put words in my mouth. I never said they didn't settle anyplace else,I said if they di it needs to be documented with cold hard facts and evidence, noneof which you have shown. Therewere some blacks in other lands, but not to the extent that they partially or fully replaed foreign populations. [QUOTE]You seriously need to do some research if you don't think that Canaanites were ruled by the Egyptians who were considered Black by the ancients.[/QUOTE] And your point being? what does thishave to do with Canaanites being originally black or not(They were NOT)? The Egyptias never settled in large enough numbers to change the racial compstion of the Canaanites and Egyptian rule was mostly tributary, they exactly payment in theform of some kind of trade items. In the case of the Phoenicians, they used the Phoenicians(Canaanites) as sea merchants to opbtain materials. Richard Poe in his book Black spark, White Fire covers this very well. Overall you haven't proven anything! [/QB][/QUOTE]
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