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[QUOTE]Originally posted by supercar: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by neo*geo: [b]The reason I asked how many here are black Americans is because it seems no ethnic group invests more time debating the race and ethnicity of ancient Egyptians than American blacks. I myself am black American so I am familure with some of the issues that surround these debates.[/b][/QUOTE] This is true and why? First of all, it is because of a long history of racial division in America, and the uneven distribution of opportunity that comes along with it. Most would agree, that blacks have for a long time been underrepresented due to their color. As such, they aren't fairly represented in school curricula. This is what C.A. Diop and other prominent black scholars such as W.E.B. Dubois have worked hard to address. Their findings have given rise to debates on several issues based on school curricula, among which AE study has become a prominent subject. This is so, because more often than not, in the national curricula and in Hollywood movies, Egyptians are depicted flatly as Whites. Black Americans now debate this, because most don't believe it, as they can trace their roots directly to Africans. Why do Black Scholars and like minded people think that these curricula debates are important? For one reason: Black Americans to build a strong self-identity (as Obenga tries to point out) and encourage them to work even more diligently towards obtaining their fair place in society. But debates continue b/n black Americans themselves! The reason for this is the "one drop rule" you mentioned later on. Longer answer than I had intended, but needed to be said! [QUOTE]Originally posted by neo*geo: [b]Most historians have concluded that Egypt was a civilization of indigenous Africans so what more is there to debate? It's silly to debate over what shade of brown they or compare them to other nations. Egyptians are a very unique people and geographically the country is in a very unique location. No other country except maybe the Dominican Republic can be compared to Egypt (I've met many Egyptians who look Dominican).[/b][/QUOTE] Again this is a correct view. As for the reason for debates, check out my previous answer! Yes, most Dominican Republican folks in some ways can be compared to Egyptians, but so can Black Americans. Coincidence! No, all these people have one thing in common: In varying degrees, these people all have "Negro" ancestry. One black scholar once said, " if you were to bring Ancient Egyptians, or modern Egyptians for that matter, to the U.S. back in the '40s, they would definitely be forced to sit at the back of the bus". If you were to go to Egypt today, you will find more similarities b/n Egyptians and Black Americans. Besides the full 'Negro' population, they too have a mulatto population that still, whatever their color, retain their 'Negro' phenotypes. So most Egyptians would be able to identify with Black Americans. This is a fact! Just go over there and see for yourself. [QUOTE]Originally posted by neo*geo: [b]And Obenga, you can never bring a West African, an East African, a black American, and a North African together and get them all to agree on who is black. And if we are using the racist "one-drop rule" to define who is black then aren't we still letting other people define who we are? [/b][/QUOTE] I disagree with this one. In all likelihood, they would all agree with one another about being 'black', but would not agree with who is 'African' and who isn't. The West, North, and Eastern Africans will agree that they are African, but will disagree that 'Black Americans' are Africans, for the simple reason of culture and geography! A West African sees an Ethiopian as 'black' and vice versa. The same would happen b/n an Ethiopian and a Black American. As for the North African, that would depend on whether is he/she is of Mediterranean type or not! Neo, you said an African once told you that you don't look African. Well, it is because of what I said above. Moreover, it depends on which African you asked. If this person was from West Africa, if you have light color skin and curly or straight hair, along with 'Negro' phenotype, he/she is going to conclude that you are mixed. This is because most but not all, West Africans have darker color skin, kinky hair and so forth. Plus he/she knows that most black Americans originally came from the West African stock, and he/she is going to make assessment based on that. This same person is going to look at an Ethiopian, and will not mistake him/her for not being 'African'. Do you see my point! An average Egyptian, in most cases, wouldn't make the same claim as the West African, based on what he sees around him in Egypt. He is going to see you as black, as opposed to Mulatto, but not as an 'African'. Africans don't make there assessment based on the 'one drop rule' like the Americans! I have already talked about the different phenotypes in Black Africa, and I am not going to repeat them. But I hope this clarifies everything for all on this board and put an end to this debate. However, if you feel I have missed something, feel free to correct me! [/QB][/QUOTE]
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