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[QUOTE]Originally posted by supercar: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Thought2: [b] Thought Writes: I advocate a scientific approach, not an emotive approach. Going to Egypt as a tourist would do little to address the limb ratio discrepancies between Dynastic Egyptians and Modern Egyptians.[/b][/QUOTE] I think you misunderstood me! I made the above statement based on your comment that most Egyptians look Eurasian, and Ausur's disagreement with that. And no, I do think if you go to Egypt today, you will definitely be able to make a connection between Dynastic Egypt and Modern Egypt...and I mean this in scientific terms as well. How can you seriously learn about a culture fluently, than actually meeting the people of that culture! Where do you think those scientists, whom you rely on, get their conclusions from? They go to Egypt to make discoveries. As for Neo*geo, Obenga's point has been all along centered on what you said later on, about Africans writing the African History, and Africans determining what is African. Seperating lower Egypt from upper Egypt doesn't in any way change the fact that it is 'black' civilization. And yes, science has always been a victim of politics, and we shouldn't fail to realize that. Nobody here is saying that the so-called non-black Africans of coastal North Egypt has not contributed to AE civilization, just stating that they were intergrated into a 'black' African culture, and not the other way around. I also believe Hyksos, marked a period in AE when it was threatened to go back to the "Dark ages", until Egyptians took control again! Look, we can argue here about what is scientific and what isn't. The reality is that the world view today is based on politics, and science will do little to change that! First thing a non-European thinks when the term "Europe" pops up, is "White culture". First thing when "Middle East" pops up, a non-Middle Easterner thinks is "Arab culture", not withstanding that part of this region is actually Africa. First thing a non-African thinks of when "Africa" pops up, is 'Black' culture. Science has so far changed little on these distorted views due to politics. Of course Europeans will see themselves differently from outsiders, like wise Africans will see themselves differently from outsiders. Until science is completely seperated from politics, and all national curricula are based on pure science, these distorted world views will continue. As such, like Ausur earlier pointed out, until enough Africans can get to high level economic or social positions such as the likes of C.A. Diop, African vioces will be overshadowed by people outside of Africa! [This message has been edited by supercar (edited 25 June 2004).] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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