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[QUOTE]Originally posted by supercar: [QB] [QUOTE] Posted by ausur: [b] The shape was relativly universal. AE architecture was connected to their believes in creation myths and symbology within the myths. Can you show me a parallel within the other architecture that corresponds to AE?[/b][/QUOTE] Okay let us go back to my original quote: [b]“Not that I am claiming with certainty that the Egyptians built the pyramids in China, but would the Chinese have associated pyramids with tombs or temples, without an outside influence…” [/b] Now, bear in mind that from the above quote, it is clear that I didn’t give Egyptians the credit for building the Chinese pyramids. But I did imply that they had to be influenced by people of another culture. This is where I did not rule out the possibility of that foreign group being Africans, or perhaps Egyptians or Nubians. It is known that Chinese were nomads. C. A. Winters talked about this and I quote: [URL=http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/Southchina1.htm]http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/Southchina1.htm[/URL] “As in the African aqualithic, an extensive mound culture existed in China, an area strectching from i ts plateau in the west to the Western coast of the Pacific ocean, it includes the Huang-Huai(the Yellow River and the Huai River) plain of North China and the plain of the lower valley of the Yangtze River of central China, these mounds lie in the Ancient line of the Austronesian habitation. In accordance with oral tradi tion and Chinese proto-history mounds were in existence during the time of Huangti, and Fu-Hsi as reflected in the legendary narrative of the burial of Tai-Hao at Wan Chiul - chiu. The mound culture began around 3,000 BC in China 7,000 years after a similar cul ture had developed in central and North Africa, which moved step by step to the lower valley of the Yangtze River, starting originally from the lower valley of the Yellow River. By about 1200 BC, the people practiced agriculture and ate aquatic animals.At the Kiangsu Province mound site called the Hu Shu culture,the mounds were man-made knolls called 'terraced sites '. The mounds are flat on the top, here the people placed their dwellings. These mounds served three purposes i) burial mounds, ii) religious places (i.e.,high ground) and iii) habitation. The mounds are believed to have been introduced by the people to China from the Euphrates-Tigris valley who are believed to have introduced the arts .” This may explain the beginnings of the mounds you pointed out earlier. In your own words: [b] Like I mentioned the pyramid shape is a unversial shape that is relativly easy to build. The Chinese pyramid look more like mounds than pyramids.[/b] Now let us dissect another section from my original comment: [b]“Obviously due to cultural differences, their way of building pyramids is going to vary from that of Egyptians. There has indeed been archeological presence of negroid looking people in the Chinese region. Artifacts depicting these people have been recovered. These people may not have been from Egypt or Nubia, but then where did they come from? ” [/b] I think the above quote speaks for itself. I never said it was the Egyptians who built or influenced the Chinese to build their pyramids, although I didn’t rule out that possibility! [QUOTE] [b] Originally posted by Ausur:[/b] Originally posted by supercar: Apparently from Olmec head stones, there can be doubt that Africans were present there. The question is where did these Africans come from, and how did they get there. Their presence there pre-dates Columbus "discovery" of America. [b] The problem h ere is we fin[d no traces of monumental stone being carved in Western or Central Africa around the time of the Olmecs. The First Olmecs is roughly contemporary with the 19th dyansty in ancient Egypt. Tell me why then no African crops found it's way into the new world except a bottle gourd which can float to the Americas. The earliest Americans were Melanesian types that had very much the profile of an African but was genetically different from an African. Maybe the Olmecs come from these early Melanesian types or the current native population living in the area have the same features. Show how African contact is plausible around this period? [/b][/QUOTE] Here is a quote from Dr. Clyde A Winters about how the Africans found their way to America: [URL=http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/Skeletal.htm]http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/Skeletal.htm[/URL] “The Olmec came from Saharan Africa 3200 years ago. They came in boats which are depicted in the Izapa Stela no.5, in twelve migratory waves. These Proto-Olmecs belonged to seven clans which served as the base for the Olmec people. Physical anthropologist use many terms to refer to the African type represented by Olmec skeletal remains including Armenoid, Dongolan, Loponoid and Equatorial. The evidence of African skeletons found at many Olmec sites, and their trading partners from the Old World found by Dr. Andrzej Wiercinski prove the cosmopolitan nature of Olmec society. This skeletal evidence explains the discovery of many African tribes in Mexico and Central America when Columbus discovered the Americas (de Quatrefages, 1836). The skeletal material from Tlatilco and Cerro de las Mesas and evidence that the Olmecs used an African writing to inscribe their monuments and artifacts, make it clear that Africans were a predominant part of the Olmec population. These Olmecs constructed complex pyramids and large sculptured monuments weighing tons. The Maya during the Pre-Classic period built pyramids over the Olmec pyramids to disguise the Olmec origin of these pyramids. The iconography of the classic Olmec and Mayan civilization show no correspondence in facial features. But many contemporary Maya and other Amerind groups show African characteristics and DNA. Underhill, et al (1996) found that the Mayan people have an African Y chromosome. This would explain the "puffy" faces of contemporary Amerinds, which are incongruent with the Mayan type associated with classic Mayan sculptures and stelas.” [This message has been edited by supercar (edited 09 July 2004).] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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