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[QUOTE]Originally posted by L': [QB] [QUOTE]I wouldn't like that, but I have come across Afrocentrists claiming the Ancient Britons/Celts/Vikings/Anglo Saxons were black, just as I've seen actual Egyptians getting undeserved abuse and being called impostors and squatters in a black land.[/QUOTE]What do fringe Afro-centrics have to do with us? [QUOTE]Afrocentrists seem to be forever exaggerating the impact of migration to Egypt from Eurasia, and ignoring the fact that there was a more than equivalent amount of movement from black Africa over the same period[/QUOTE]Rahotep101- I have already addressed your claims about more genetic input from south of Egypt than north. I am really starting to believe that you don't read a thing anybody tells you. Most of the African lineages in Egypt are pre-pharanoic lineages, V, XI, and IV etc., introduced in late Pleistocene to mid-Holocene. [QUOTE]Hence the need to remind people that migration potentially enhanced rather than diluted the African component of Egypt's makeup.[/QUOTE]That makes no sense. All of your moronic claims here have been shut down in the other thread. [QUOTE]This is a wholly unfounded conspiracy theory.[/QUOTE]I agree. [QUOTE]Afrocentrics sometimes also do presume to take credit for all Europe's achievements, by promoting the myth that ancient Egypt was 'black African' (as if Africa was homogenous race) and that the Greeks derived all their arts and sciences from Egypt, and that all Europe's advances are founded on Egypt via Greece.[/QUOTE]Africa cannot be a homogeneous race as race doesn't exist. Africa is very diverse, and admixture doesn't explain that. Distance from sub-Saharan Africa is what determines phenotypic and genetic diversity. [QUOTE]I think Dr Hawass went too far saying that Egyptian civilization had 'no black element', bit his definition of black is clearly different from that of others. Most Egyptians apparently do not and did not identify themselves as black Africans, however oursiders saw them. They clearly differentiated themselves from the Nubians.[/QUOTE]How Egyptians chose to represent themselves is irrelevant in light of the biological data we have had for years now. Egyptians and Nubians were biologically the closest, with a south north cline. In modern Egypt there is a north-south cline, and, due to the substantial Middle Eastern genes in the modern population, their is continuity into the Near East that wasn't present in the past. You forget that Egypt was populated by sub-Saharan Africans... [QUOTE]The 25th dynasty was set apart as it remained a dynasty of foreign occupiers. They retained their Nubian base and were buried in Nubia. As rulers of their former masters, the Nubians were perhaps kinder to Egypt than Egypt had the right to expect, but they did not naturalize, and there was no merging of the kingdoms. Egyptian Nubians are still very much an ethnic and cultural group unto themseves.[/QUOTE]Just because their culture wasn't exactly the same, doesn't justify classifying them as separate "races". Especially since they were ethnically and biologically the closest to the ancient Egyptians. You cannot name another population closer to the ancient Egyptians than the Sudanese [QUOTE]I think you underplay the boost that contact with the other cultures of the fertile Crescent gave to Egypt when it was a fledgling civilization. This contact with other advanced civilizations helped to propel Egypt to greatness while Nubia played catch-up. While Egypt has an African context, it also has a Mediterranean and Middle-Eastern one. It was connected to trade in the Eastern Med and across Aisa as far as India and Afghanistan. Many of the various capitals were in the north, Sakkara, Memphis, Tanis, Sais, Avaris, Pi Ramses, Alexandria etc, and there is no particular reason to think they were not built by lower Egyptians. They were a stone's throw from Sinai and the Holy Land, but a long way from the heart of Africa.[/QUOTE]There was not a major Near Eastern influence, biologically or culturally in ancient Egypt. Such influences occurred later on. 1)Upper Egyptian culture was basically a Sudanese transplant 2)No united prehistoric Kingdom of lower Egypt existed 3)Upper Egypt dominated the north [/QB][/QUOTE]
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