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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Supercar: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Yom: Hikuptah, the Egyptians are the descendent of Saharan populations, but these populations themselves are partly descended from East African populations (of course, if you go to the beginning of mankind, all populations are are descended from East Africans).[/QUOTE]Again, the Nile Valley populations drew from both indigenous Nile Valley inhabitants, that is, groups from the upper Nile Valley [primarily from the so-called "Nubian" regions], AND Saharan groups. So, Kemet inherited heterogenous populations... [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=004370][b]Saharan and East African influence[/b][/URL]... [QUOTE]Yom: Saharan populations would have received substantial paternal gene flow (about 70-80% of Y-DNA lineages as in Berbers and Maghreb Arabs today) from about 20kya (kya=thousand years ago) until 10kya (early Holocene),...[/QUOTE]Generally, modern "berber" speakers of west Africa, don't have much of an Upper Paleolithic ancestry.... "Thus, although Moroccan Y lineages were interpreted as having a predominantly Upper Paleolithic origin in East Africa (Bosch et al, 2001), according to [b]our TMRCA estimates , NO populations within North African samples analyzed here have a substantial Paloelithic contribution."[/b] - Arredi et al. 2004 The stated TMRCA of E3b1b (E3b2) of ~ 5.6 ky would be what one would expect in the relatively older "Berber" speaking group... [i]The relatively young TMRCA (mutation divergence date) of [b]5.6 ky[/b] that we estimated for haplogroup E-M81 and the lack of differentiation between European and African haplotypes in the network of E-M81 support the hypothesis of recent gene flow between northwestern Africa and Iberia.[/i] Cruciani et al. 2002 ...while in the relatively younger groups, the tmrca age was found to be... [i]"E3b2-M81, which is present in relatively high levels in Morocco, dispersed mainly to the west. This proposal is in acordance with a population [b]expansion involving E3b2-M81 believed to have occurred in northwestern Africa ~ 2 KY ago.[/b] The considerably older linear expansion estimate of the [b]Egyptian E3b2-M81 (5.4 KY ago)[/b][/i]..." - Luis et al. 2004 [QUOTE]Yom: when migrations out of East Africa began to stop (note, these are the same genes that were later spread into Europe from West Asia ca. 8-6kya)[/QUOTE]When did migrations out of East Africa ever stop? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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