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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] Supercar says: [QUOTE]And so, I ask you the same question, when you make a generalization such as this: "[b]Those Indians who share the same color as Africans are usually Dravidian speakers.[/b]"[/QUOTE] If you noticed, I didn't say all Indians who are black are Dravidian speakers. I said [i]usually[/i] or most, which is true. I'm aware that there are some black Indians who only speak the Aryan language. Did you know there is a tribe of Indians called Coorgis who live in southern India and look no different from the fair-skinned ones of the north or even Iranians, yet their vernacular is Dravidian?! Ausar says: [QUOTE]Djehuti, you realize that some parts of Afganistan and northern India have Scythian and Greek admixture? Infact, there have been genetic studies that confirm this ancient admixture that probably came from troops in Alexander's armies.[/QUOTE] I'm aware of these claims however, I find them to be unsubstantiated. First off, most Greeks had dark hair and blondes were quite rare, ocurring mostly in the northern areas of Greece and with higher frequencies the farther north you go in the Balkans, but even then, brown was the common hair color of northern Balkan people. The main thing is that blonde haired people have apparently lived in these areas long before the advent of Alexander and his armies. Herodotus reported what he heard from the Scythians about other Aryan nomads farther east who had the same descriptions. late Babylonian and Assyrian texts spoke of pale skinned, yellow haired peoples to the northeast, and even Alexander the Great and his army encountered such tribes when they first made their trek to Afghanistan and northern India. In fact, Alexander's wife Roxane was the daughter of a Saka cheiftain, and her name in Iranian--Roshvane means pale or bright. Her people, the Sakas were known to the Indians by their nordic appearance. Also, the certain similarities these peoples' languages have with Greek, don't add up entirely. There are certain loan words borrowed from Greek, but this is to be expected since the region of Bactria (Afghanistan) and Persia was under Greek rule, after Alexander's death. Also, many Aryan languages already had features silimar to Greek, before Greek contact which only prove Indo-European common origins. Neither of these facts says nothing about intermarrying with Alexander's troops. In fact, the blonde peoples of Afghanistan--the Kafiri, and Pakistan--the Kalash, both speak Aryan languages called Dardic, that are neither Iranian nor Indian but are distinct from both. Their languages also possess archaic features that the Iranian and Indian languages have lost. Lastly, I doubt Alexander's troops would had that great a genetic influence on the peoples of these areas, especially considering that these troops were relatively few in number compared to the surrounding locals. BTW, where are these studies that confirm Greek ancestry, could you show them to me? It's true that the Kafiri and Kalash peoples claim descent from Alexander's armies, but they obviously do this for the same reason why the Romani onced claimed Egyptian ancestry from and why muslim Africans claim Arab ancestry-- for the want of claiming a great heritage. [QUOTE]The first Indo-Europeans seems to correlate to the Kurgan culture and domestication of the horse.[/QUOTE] I agree with the theory, though I'm not surprise if there are other far older cultures in Russia, which preceeded the Kurgan. [QUOTE]Some people like Colin Reinfew have attempted to put the Indo-Europeans around modern day Anatolia.[/QUOTE] I've heard of this theory as well, but I agree more with the Kurgan one, since the language diversity seems to correspond with this. The renowned Lithuanian archaeologist and mythologist, Marija Gimbutas, further supports this with mythological themes as well as iconography. Have you heard of a people called the Minaro, who live along the western borders of Tibet? They live in the area of Ladak just south of the Tarim Basin and right around area between Jammu and Kashmir. They speak a dialect of Shina, which is also Dardic language. They appear to be hybrids--a mixture between Tibetan and white. They have much lighter complexions than other Tibetans and although I've never heard of blonde hair occuring among them, they do sometimes have brown hair and even heavy facial hair and hairy chests occuring among the men. They sometimes have light colored eyes like blue and their features are very long and thin, more so than regular Tibetans. Some Eurocentric scholars are saying that Indo-Europeans not just influenced but founded the cultures of ancient Tibet, and few have gone as far as saying that white Indo-European were the original inhabitants of Greater Tibet and have lived there before 'mongoloids'!! [IMG]http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/eek.gif[/IMG] I forgot how we got into the discussion of Indo-Europeans, in the first place. As I said before, The peoples of India are very diverse, physically as well as culturally, and most likely at one time, linguistically. I agree with most scholars who say the linguistic and cultural diversity of India was much greater in ancient and especially prehistoric times, than today. For example, we know that the Dravidian languages were once spoken throughout India and probably came from the north, but was slowly displaced and pushed southward by Indo-Aryan. While Dravidian languages are mostly spoken in the south, there are still small enclaves and pockets of Dravidians in the north, the farthest north being Brahui which is spoken in Pakistan. And I definitely agree that the Harappan people were most likely Dravidian peoples. Many people tend to forget that although Dravidian was the main linguistic group in India before Indo-Aryan, there are others. In eastern central India there are people who speak Munda languages which are part of the Austro-Asiatic language family and are related to certain languages in Southeast Asia like Khmer(Cambodian) and Vietnamese. Further to the northeast are Khasi and Nahali which are both language isolates but show a somewhat distant relation to Munda, and lastly in the northeastern areas of Pakistan is Burushaski which is a totally isolated language with no close relations whatsover. Who knows how many linguistic and cultural groups there were. The main point I was making is that many of the peoples of central India today must bear some relation to ancient Sumerians. Again, I base this on their physical appearance as well as certain aspects of their religion, besides these there is nothing else to go by. I suggest that the original home of the Sumerians was in central Iran, prior to the appearance of Elamites, and from there they branched off, some traveling west to Mesopotamia and others east. Certain aspects of ancient Harappan iconography and artifacts of course show a relation with Sumerians. While we can infer that such a relation was based on trade, it is probable and even likely that these peoples have had contact longer ago than previously thought. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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