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"The Concept of Race" edited by Ashley Montagu, p.141, "Nonracial Approach Towards Human Diversity", by C. Loring Brace:
"One way of presenting a maximum amount of surface area to the air is to stretch a given mass into an elongated shape, and certainly the immensely tall East Africans of the Upper Nile area are about as linear and elongated as people get.....The Pygmy, simply by being small, acquires the same surface-mass ratio which is achieved by Nilotic African who is normal in bulk but greatly elongated in shape. Since both are equally efficient heat dissipating mechanisms, the factors influencing which adaptation will occur stem from other sources than a simple concern for heat regulation. The tall East Africans generally are food producers who subsistence is derived from their cattle. This means that the food supply is relatively assured and that they get regular amounts of protein in their diets. Pygmy subsistence, however, is less assured, and there may be long periods when food is not plentiful and little protein is eaten. This kind of problem would be particularly hard on people who are large enough so that they need regular and substantial food intake, and of course, would be especially severe for the rapidly growing child. A people who have low nutrional requirements as adults and who grow less rapidly during the critical phases of development will have a better chance of surviving as marginal hunting and gathering populations in the fringes of tropical forests."
Charlie_Bass Member # 3897
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Conclusion: Elongated morphology is *NOT* due to mixing with mythological Caucasoids. Erroneous E gets rebuffed again.
Evil Euro Member # 6383
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That passage doesn't even address the issue of admixture in East Africans, which manifests itself cranially as well as genetically, irrespective of "elongated morphology".
Conclusion: You're a desperate moron grasping at straws.
Charlie_Bass Member # 3897
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quote:Originally posted by Evil Euro: That passage doesn't even address the issue of admixture in East Africans
Whats need is there to addres admixture dummy, they're talking about body builds which has nothing to do with mixture you dummy. The elongated build in East´Africans is unique to East Africans adapted to their environment. As the passage states:
"[b]One way of presenting a maximum amount of surface area to the air is to stretch a given mass into an elongated shape, and certainly the immensely tall East Africans of the Upper Nile area are about as linear and elongated as people get"
Their elongated body build has nothing to do with mixture. Mixture has been addressed by an anthropologist and this is what was said:
AMERICAN JOURNAL OF HUMAN BIOLOGY 16:679–689 (2004)
"As noted, the interindividual African variability is perhaps greater when the degree and range of variation is considered compared with that of the Europeans. The Nile Valley and Horn groups show the great est overlap with the other regions. This could mean that the northeast quadrant African patterns are more generalized (or that others are more specialized), and/or are more recent hybrids, or simply more variable, but none of these ideas can be definitively supported by this phenetic analysis. The overall results are generally consistent with findings of high African diversity, which in the main can now be considered to be primarily of indigenous African biohistorical origin, without denying some immigration with gene flow from various areas, especially southwest Asia."
quote:which manifests itself cranially
Unless you wish to say that East Africans were originally stereotypical True Negroes who mixed with West Asians and changed throughtout time, you have no argument.
quote: as well as genetically,
East Africans are *NOT* uniformly mixed the same way. Somalis and Oromos are minimally mixed while Amharas are sunstanially mixed, but show no tendency to look more 'Eurasian' than Oromos nor Somalis. So what is your point retard?
quote: irrespective of "elongated morphology".
The elongated linear build is unique to East Africans so it is a factor, are you going to say East Africans acquired 'Caucasoid' noses and lips and nothing happened to the body?
Supercar Member # 6477
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Charlie Bass, you'll just be going in circles, to put sense into Hitler's toy poodle-hybrid ginney ho.
Charlie_Bass Member # 3897
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quote:Originally posted by Super car: Charlie Bass, you'll just be going in circles, to put sense into Hitler's toy poodle-hybrid ginney ho.
I know, that why in a new thread I'm urging people here to just ignore this idiot's feeble attempts at debate, he's too stupid to even understand what I just posted. I'm Topdog, I just found the password to my old login so I'll use it again.
Charlie_Bass Member # 3897
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Just like the idiot Erroneous E is he fell for the bait, now its time to reel him in:
p.135-136
"A quick glance at Figures 4a and 4b will show that the relatively shortest noses occurs only in the tropics, and observation confirms the fact that the nasal bridges of the peoples in question are low as well as being short. At first it seems as though no consistent sense could be made from such an observation since such people as the inhabitants of East Africa right on the equator have aappreciably longer, narrower, and higher noses than people in the Congo at the same latitude. A former generation of anthropologists used to explain this paradox by invoking an invasion by an itinerant "white" population from the Mediterranean area, although this solution raised more problems than it solved since the East Africans in question include some of the blackest people in the world with characteristically wooly hair and a body build unique among the world's populations for its extreme linearity and height."
p.138
"The relatively long noses of east Africa become explicable then when one realizes that much of the area is extremely dry for parts of the year."
You still think mixture wasn't taken into consideration? So please identify those cranial traits that signify 'Eurasian mixture' Erroneous E.
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mali Member # 7606
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quote:Originally posted by Charlie_Bass: Just like the idiot Erroneous E is he fell for the bait, now its time to reel him in:
p.135-136
"A quick glance at Figures 4a and 4b will show that the relatively shortest noses occurs only in the tropics, and observation confirms the fact that the nasal bridges of the peoples in question are low as well as being short. At first it seems as though no consistent sense could be made from such an observation since such people as the inhabitants of East Africa right on the equator have aappreciably longer, narrower, and higher noses than people in the Congo at the same latitude. A former generation of anthropologists used to explain this paradox by invoking an invasion by an itinerant "white" population from the Mediterranean area, although this solution raised more problems than it solved since the East Africans in question include some of the blackest people in the world with characteristically wooly hair and a body build unique among the world's populations for its extreme linearity and height."
p.138
"The relatively long noses of east Africa become explicable then when one relaizes that much of the area is extremely dry for parts of the year."
You still think mixture wasn't taken into consideration? So please identify those cranial traits that signify 'Eurasian mixture' Erroneous E.
this dienekes hoe...and dodona bitch....is forgotten....he needs to jump ship before a overload.....lol...pin-up dodona brode can't handle simple facts.....bio 101 is needed for this dipigmented cro-magnon...
Evil Euro Member # 6383
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quote:Originally posted by Charlie_Bass: You still think mixture wasn't taken into consideration?
Yes, I do. The passage addresses the question of Caucasoid admixture, but doesn't investigate the possibility that the "blackest" skin and "wooly hair" found in East Africans today are a product of Negroid admixture (as well as recent tropical adaptation) superimposed on an indigenous, non-Negroid East African population that once more closely resembled Eurasians than Sub-Saharan Africans (and still carries certain Eurasian-like traits).
Charlie_Bass Member # 3897
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quote:Originally posted by Evil Euro:
Negroid[/b] admixture (as well as recent tropical adaptation) superimposed on an indigenous, non-Negroid East African population that once more closely resembled Eurasians than Sub-Saharan Africans (and still carries certain Eurasian-like traits).
Stupid idiot, Howell's *NEVER* stated that 'prehistoric East Africans possesed Eurasian affinities so quit distorting his words. I have his book and he lists the populations closest to each sample and none were Eurasian. Is lying the best you could do?
Apocalypse Member # 8587
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quote:Yes, I do. The passage addresses the question of Caucasoid admixture, but doesn't investigate the possibility that the "blackest" skin and "wooly hair" found in East Africans today are a product of Negroid admixture (as well as recent tropical adaptation) superimposed on an indigenous, non-Negroid East African population that once more closely resembled Eurasians than Sub-Saharan Africans (and still carries certain Eurasian-like traits)
. I agree with you completely on this Evil Euro. Pure, untainted East Africans propably do bear a very close resemblence to Eurasians - such as the Onge of the Andaman Islands. That is what you meant isn't it?
Evil Euro Member # 6383
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quote:Originally posted by Charlie_Bass: Stupid idiot, Howell's *NEVER* stated that 'prehistoric East Africans possesed Eurasian affinities so quit distorting his words. I have his book and he lists the populations closest to each sample and none were Eurasian.
* Yawn *
Of course, one of the populations he lists is Europeans.
And we've already been over my use of "Eurasian" . . .
According to Howells, it means they resemble "such more generalized populations as Peru, Guam, or Ainu, but also Europeans or even Easter Island". I myself use the shorter term "Eurasian" to avoid having to list all of those different groups every time I'm forced to repeat the information to you dense Afronuts.
quote:Is lying the best you could do?
Is dodging the issue with a straw man the best you could do?
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