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[QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Evergreen: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Evil Euro: [qb] [QUOTE] [IMG]http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/rolleyes.gif[/IMG] Analysis based on 24 cranial measurements: [IMG]http://tinypic.com/dw9gmd.gif[/IMG] [/qb][/QUOTE]Evergreen Writes: The beautiful thing about this post from Evil Euro is that it predates the *2007 work by Crucianni et al. that demonstrates that haplogroup E-M78* derived in southern Egypt/Northern Sudan around the time frame of the Wadi Halfa people. As we can see from Evil Euro’s graph, these E-M78* people phonetically cluster with “Africa” (i.e., “Sub-Saharan” Africa) before clustering with any other group. We can see that the Australo-Melanesean (or “Generalized Moderns”) likewise cluster phenetically with “Sub-Saharan” samples. Evil Euro provided us with a gift! *Tracing Past Human Male Movements in Northern/Eastern Africa and Western Eurasia: New Clues from Y-Chromosomal Haplogroups E-M78 and J-M12 Fulvio Cruciani et al. [/qb][/QUOTE]Good observation. Wadi halfa is smack on the middle of important Nubian territory and as your daigram shows, clusters with so-called "sub-Saharans." And even without Cruciani, his diagram falls flat in terms of the 'Caucasid' Egypt model. The diagram looks like something from Brace 93. Eamining it, as always the Egyptians cluster first with other African populations, including north Africans. Brace lumped together a huge bloc of peoples as 'North African' including large blocs of the Sahara. In addition he used some older Euros, who as his 2005 study shows, looked like Africans thereby applying the misleading impression that today's 'white' Europeans were close to the Egyptians. But its the older types who looked African to begin with anyway, that's why they are even on the same page as the Africans. So Cruciani or not, his claims are still debunked. [IMG]http://africanamericanculturalcenterpalmcoast.org/historyafrican/truenegromodel.jpg[/IMG] Interestingly enough, even though the Cruciani paper puts M78 as NE Africa origin, on a Nov08 blog Matilda calls it "North African" continuing her common pattern of subtle distortion and misinformation. Likewise on the Fulani, even though one study only referred to several northern Cameroonian groups as having R1 Y chromosones, that was translated in her blog into ALL Cameroonian males, another sly distortion. Her new dodge and that of her cronies now, is to call M78 a "mixed" thing- a so-called "Afro-Asiatic" chromosome, part "Eurasian" and part African. But hypocritically, when a reputed Eurasian marker with a significant slice of African involvement arises does she advocate the "mixed" label approach? Oh no.. it still remains 'Eurasian' but curiously, if the weight is on the African side as regards NE Africa, well then that has to be sliced, diced and reclassified as "mixed." Just don't call it African. Her new 'Afro-Asiatic" biological category serves to dilute and split the Africanity of various populations, while allowing maximum play for the broadly defined 'Eurasian" category- same hypocrisy and double standards, just different labels. But if as you say, that the M78 Halfan people cluster with Africans, and according to Cruciani, originates in Africa, why not just call it African and be done with it? Why the double standards? --------- Anyhow, here's a blurb that supports your E-78 tie-in with the Sudan: Battaglia et al. propose a refugium in the Sudan as the starting point of E-M78 distribution. This undermines various sly labeling attempts to imply a starting point as far north as possible: [i]".. during a desiccation period in North Africa, while the eastern Sahara was depopulated, a refugium existed on the border of present-day Sudan and Egypt, near Lake Nubia, until the onset of a humid phase around 8500 BC (radiocarbon-calibrated date). The rapid arrival of wet conditions during this Early Holocene period provided an impetus for population movement into habitat that was quickly settled afterwards.64 Hg E-M78* representatives, although rare overall, still occur in Egypt, which is a hub for the distribution of the various geographically localized M78-related sub-clades.28 The northward-moving rainfall belts during this period could have also spurred a rapid migration of Mesolithic foragers northwards in Africa, the Levant and ultimately onwards to Asia Minor and Europe, where they each eventually differentiated into their regionally distinctive branches.[/i] --Battaglia et al. (2008) "Y-chromosomal evidence of the cultural diffusion of agriculture in southeast Europe" European Journal of Human Genetics. 17, 820–830 [IMG]http://africanamericanculturalcenterpalmcoast.org/historyafrican/em78wadihalfa.jpg[/IMG] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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