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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mazigh: [QB] [QUOTE] Some Western ones are too. Remember, you are defending the blanket statement that there are no Black Berber.[/QUOTE] oe really, you can say everything, but you have to show something. [QUOTE] They are a multi-ethnic language group. [/QUOTE] you aren't speaking about an extinct people, i personally am berber, and we consider us as one ethnicity. i showed that the groups of your map, even don't represent the language's groups. but berbers in non-arabised regions which try to consider them as fully folks. [QUOTE] As shown above. [/QUOTE] i think i asked you to tell us to which group they belong to realize that is true, or it doesn't help you to claim the berber balckness. quote: Capsian is an archeology group, not a lineage or language, and there is no evidence linking the origins of Berber lineage or language to the Capsian shell mound and stone tool archeology group of NW Africa. [/quote] it is believed that the berber language appeared with the capsian men (moustapha ouachi, archeologist and historian, specialised in the history of north africa). how about the term "archeological group" ? they are archeological, but this doesn't mean they didn't have a language, or didn't exist. [/quote] It is a stone cold fact [pun intended] that Berber language and males lineages originated over a thousand miles to the East - East Africa. [/quote] you want tell me that the lebaneses are black, because their language is afro-asiatic. [QUOTE] Menwhile NW African females have predominently European and therefore non-Berber origins.[/QUOTE] any evidence ? [QUOTE] What about them? There is no proof linking these people to Berber speaking groups, and the iconography you posted is far too late to testifiy to Berber origins at any rate.[/QUOTE] the tehenu, the meshwesh, the temhu and the libou were berbers and they were never black, i show they were fair-skinned, but you couldn't any evidence concerning their blackness. [QUOTE] The oldest known people who can be directly linked to the Berber are the Tehenu....referenced in the old kingdom, linked to Siwa Oasis, portrayed as dark in kemetic iconography, and continuing to live their to this day.[/QUOTE] not can be derictly linked to the berbers, but they are berbers, they are known as libyans, and that word is an other word for the berbers. and they are refered in the pre-dynastic age. [QUOTE] The inhabitants of Libya were called Tmhw (Temehus). The Temehus were organized into two groups the Thnw (Tehenu) in the North and the Nhsj (Nehesy) in the South (Diop 1986). [/QUOTE] the tehenu and the temhu are two diffirent tribes. [QUOTE] The Temehus are called the C-Group people by archaeologists(Jelinek,1985; Quellec, 1985). The central Fezzan was a center of C-Group settlement. Quellec (1985, p.373) discussed in detail the presence of C-Group culture traits in the Central Fezzan along with their cattle during the middle of the Third millennium BC. The Temehus or C-Group people began to settle Kush around 2200. [/QUOTE] those group c, are unsure people. [QUOTE] So we see that the Nhsj were also referred to as Temehu, but they spoke Nilo-Saharan languages, while the Tehenu spoke Berber.[/QUOTE] i don't know how you see that. [QUOTE] Both were and are Black. Moreover there is genetic evidence linking these peoples. [/QUOTE] is it one of you personal conclusions.? show as how they were and are black ! [QUOTE] ...many ethnic groups. I asked you a question, what are they if not ethnic groups?[/QUOTE] they are berbers who are named after their regions. they even don't represent the language's groups. [QUOTE]: 1st off: I don't consider African peoples 'tribes', that is crude and prejudiced term.[/QUOTE] ??? [QUOTE] 2ndly: I am sure that Berber speaking people have a shared origin with lots of other Africans, including Nilo-Saharan, Afrasan, and Niger-Congo speakers, but that has no bearing on the fact that - the Siwa and the Kabyle - for example, are ethnically distinct. [/QUOTE] untill now, i don't know how you get you assurence. the berbers are afro-asiatic, and there is no need to affiliate them with other peoples who have any relashionship with them. [QUOTE] For one thing the Siwa are predominently African maternally and paternally, but the Kabyle are predominently African paternally and predominently European [AND THEREFORE NON-BERBER] maternally.[quote] where are those conclusions based ? the siwis are brown, because of the son, not others. the siwis maybe of the same origin of the riffains who are generally fair-skinned and some time blond-haired. [quote] I know of no-one other than you who claims they are a single ethnic group. Certainly the Siwa don't make such a claim.[/QUOTE] o, really. you consider the berbers of the same tribe as diffirent groups because they inhabit diffirent regions. [QUOTE]: Of those things the Berber really only have langauge in common, although their culture is rooted in the Saharo-Sudanese neolithic as well [and not the capsian, which is irrelevant to Siwa/Touareg etc.][/QUOTE] i have no idee of a such claims, how ? [QUOTE] Say whatever you like, but you've been shown Black berbers, that you need to deny their existence, even having seen them speaks poorly of you.[/QUOTE] yes, i have been shown a black one, but i haven't been told where they from. would you this ? [QUOTE] Nope. The picture you provided of some fair skinned Libyans provides no proof whatsoever of Berber origin, and has no bearing on the fact of the existence of Black berber. You've proven nothing. [/QUOTE] why not ? those shown fair-skinned berbers are the eastern berbers, where were your black berber, when the ancient egyptians were depicting the berbers. [QUOTE] I asked you for peer reviewed scientific evidence disputing the specific scholarship and linguistic, genetic and anthropological evidence provided. [/QUOTE] where are those linguistic, genetic and antropological evidences provided ? [QUOTE] You have provided none. [/QUOTE] easy to say. [QUOTE] Until you do, the facts stated in the cited article stand...COMPLETELY UNREFUTED BY YOU.[/QUOTE] you can cite every thing you want, they have no scientific value. [QUOTE] Let us know if you ever find any reputable evidence. We promise to credit you for it, should it be forthcoming. [/QUOTE] there is no needed evidence, you are claiming some irreal claims, and you don't accept the depicts of the egyptians with no understandable reason. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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