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[QUOTE]Originally posted by rasol: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mazigh: the modern eastern berbers are absolutely not black.[/QUOTE] You have already been shown Black Berber from Siwa - the Easternmost Berber group. Your comment makes absolutely no sense. [QUOTE]the ancient eastern berbers: tehenu, tamahou, libou, meshwesh were rather blondish than black.[/QUOTE] Those above statement relates no facts, and indeed [b]is factually in error[/b] - The Tehenu: [i]The Egyptians called neighboring Libya Tehenu. Its inhabitants had dark skin and curly hair.[/i] - Ahmed Fakhry, `Siwa Oasis', p. 76. The Tamahou: [i] According to the legend...they (the Ancient Egyptians) wished to represent the inhabitants of Egypt and those of foreign lands. Thus we have before our eyes the image of the various races of man known to the Egyptians... the last one is what we call flesh-colored, a white skin of the most delicate shade, a nose straight or slightly arched, blue eyes, blond or reddish beard, tall stature and very slender, clad in a hairy ox-skin, a veritable savage... he is called Tamhou.[/i] - Champollion the Younger, [letters to his brother] Libou, and Libya refers to the 'west of egypt' in general, and not to one people, and not to a language group either, and therefore is [b]not[/b] a synonym for Berber. [QUOTE]the languistic evidence was irrelevant, since the origin of the berbers isn't concerned.[/QUOTE] Berber is a language group so of course linguistic evidence is relevant. Go tell Christopher Ehret that linguistic evidence is irrelevant to Berber origins. [IMG]http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/rolleyes.gif[/IMG] Just because you can't refute it, does not make it irrelevant. [QUOTE]the genetic evidence show that the berbers are related to the miditerranean people[/QUOTE] Genetic evidence from Cavelli Sforza - Genes languages and peoples - shows that the Taureg Berber of West AFrica are most closely related to the [b]indigenous East Africans of the Nile Valley[/b] - specifically the Beja. Who are known as the Medijay from old Egypt..... [IMG]http://img108.exs.cx/img108/4941/africandistances4ea.jpg[/IMG] Taureg most closely related to: a) Beja 135 b) Sudanese 240 c) Amhara 278 d) Tigri 320 e) Cushitic 352 This is in accord with the linguistic evidence of the East African origin of the Berber. Do you have any specific genetic evidence to the contrary. Sources? [QUOTE]but i can't discuss here about, because i'm not faimiliar with that data.[/QUOTE] Ok. [QUOTE]the pictures you give aren't reliable[/QUOTE] I got them from your source which listed the [b]distinct[/b] Berber ethnic groups with pictures they deemed representative. You can't deal with the reality of Black berber and so you have made several far fetched claims, including that the pictures from your source link were "fabricated." As ever, you make blatantly false statements and offer no supporting evidence. [QUOTE]you also didn't respond why the tamahou.[/QUOTE] Sure I did, and again in this thread via Champollion, but I'm bored repeating myself, so if you like, I will repost something of relevance from Ausar..... [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 16 September 2005).] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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