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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Charlie_Bass: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by rasol: [b] I think you are a bit frustrated from arguing with Dodona dumbells for too long. I mentioned earlier that those folks are propagandists and should never be 'debated' from the perspective of 'convincing them' that you are right. When you do that for too long, you end up feeling like you're beating your head against the wall. I assure you this is not the case. I am actually quite impressed with the progress being made in conceptualising African civilisations including in the context of ancient Greece. Here is an example: [i]A whole bunch of people in the Classics departments have made their careers - and they deeply feel this - the wonder of the Ancient Greeks. They get great joy and happiness from doing this. If you make any connection between Africa and what the Greeks were doing, our Western upbringing can come back to surface in a way people don't realize is taking place. They don't realize it because they feel they have eliminated racism from their thinking. They're sure that Africans, given different circumstances, would have been just as advanced as everyone else. They don't realize that, actually, Africans were just as advanced. They have, maybe, more continent to move into; they have less dense population and only some areas move into urbanization. Societies develop more oral literature, so they don't have the written documentation—people choose alternative modes to develop their history. And then there's the thought of Egypt was this place that got great but then just stopped, stagnated. And that's not a correct reading of history either. The New Kingdom was doing things that were far different from the Old and Middle periods. Now, beyond the New Kingdom, nobody pays much attention. I want to fix up Civilizations of Africa to go into 7th century Egypt. There are important things, new things, happening there. Anyway: [b]the idea of all this Egyptian influence on Greece is threatening to people who fear that it challenges Greek uniqueness and originality.[/b] I don't think it does at all. After all, human societies invent new patterns through encounter with other societies. What Greeks achieved is all the richer if we understand that they were grappling with ideas from Egypt, Mesopotamia, and elsewhere.[/i] - Professor Christopher Ehret. This is essentially my position on this matter. I enjoy it when someone else tries to ridicule the above, because I know they do so because they don't like it, but can't refute it. Charlie: Never be afraid to tell the truth, and no need manufacuture convoluted excuses for why you "choose not to". [This message has been edited by rasol (edited 23 October 2005).][/B][/QUOTE] I've never denied Egyptian influence in Greece nor do I believe in a Greek miracle in which Greek civilizations just arose out of nowhere, of course there was influences from outside of Greece that help shape that civilization. All I was arguing against was this obsession with E3b1. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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