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[QUOTE]Originally posted by osirion: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Raugaj: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by alTakruri: [QB] Fuhgeddaboudit. You'll never convince somebody who comes from a [i]casta[/i] society with more than 32 designations covering every possible outcome of miscegenation between Africans, Indios, and Europeans that anyone except the stereotypical "true negro" is black. In [i]casta[/i] society to be called black is an insult even if you really are a bozalo. And the "true negro" will not even be called black if such a one has money or influence, that one will be a pardo. (But even worse than that is to be an unmiscegenated Indio still practicing indigenous culture or adhering to such norms when residing among the "civilized.")[/QUOTE]Typical Afrocentric BS. Castas have been long dead in most places. Most people use the terms interchangeably. It has to do more with how you are raised. Two people with the same phenotypes might identify as different things. But to be considered Black on average as for looks, not group, you have to look more African or darker. Many people with no African ancestry wil be called negro if they are the darkest in the groups. And it depends on the region as well. For example, in Peru, she is Black because she was raised in the Black community [IMG]http://galeon.hispavista.com/missperu02/img/rosa.jpg[/IMG] But she could as well have been raised mulata. Another peruvian with similar African Ancestry was just not seen as Black. [IMG]http://www.upc.edu.pe/html/0/0/carreras/periodismo/libros/2002-01/5-g.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]But all over the world the black American has fostered pride of blackness amongst both the "black" skinned and the social black via the symbol of the [b][i]P A N T H E R[/i][/b]. :cool: [/QUOTE]Small groups within a large population. Most Berbers do not see themselves as Black and all berbers are not dark skinned. Most Dalits do not consider themselves Black and are not all dark skinned. And Among the Australians who do consider themselves Black the Panther party isn't that big either. But yes, so long as it empowers them I could care less if there is an Inuit Panther party. [/qb][/QUOTE]So you are Middle Eastern correct? You are uncomfortable with the social concept of Black. You fear the taint of being considered Black? Such a loose term istn't it. Keep in mind that both sides of the discussion are right and the term is relative to your social perspective. The point that should be clear is not many are arguing that the Olmecs are of recent African ancestry. Thought if you are a young Earth religious person then certainly they are. Fundamentalist Christians believe the earth is only 8000 years old and that people were scattered about the Earth after the fall of the tower of Babel. If this was your belief then you would also likely believe that the continents were closer together than they are now and that Africans did not have far to go to get to South America. This is actually not so unreasonable of an argument when we consider Luiza and the Olmecs. It is only unreasonable when we consider scientific analysis of fossil dating. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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