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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by osirion: [qb] I am a somewhat religious person and you offend me with this concept that the King James Bible would be so confusing. You continue to offer your own translation rather than dealing with the fact that the King James translation does NOT ever use the term Ethiopian to refer to people simply of dark skin. It is far more reasonable that the Midianites mixed with the Cushitic people which we have evidence that they did. A significant amount of mtDNA from Sudan and Ethiopia can be found in Yemen and various other places where the Midianites would have lived. We also know that there was extensive trade in the pre-Aksumite period between Ethiopia and the Arabian peninsula. It is quite reasonable that Eastern Kushites are simply a mixture of Midianites and Kushites. This is exactly what Jewish oral tradition implies! Midianites were seen as a mixed prople having African and Asiatic heritage. Rather than inferring that the Bible is incorrect and translated wrong, this explaination is far simpler and has substantial evidence support it. There also is no other example in the King James Bible where Ethiopian simply means "Dark Skin". Modern day Jews may not like the idea that Moses was married to a Black Woman and re-translate the Bible, but I will not do the same since I see that as racist. Moses wife was of mixed ancestry - Ethiopian and Medianite. The entire tone of the verse I provided was clearly a tone of racism on the part of Aaron and Miriam. It is clear what the contention is.[/qb][/QUOTE]Simply put, the King James version is the first version of the Bible to be written in vernacular English, but this does not change the actual origins and etymology of the word 'ethiopian'. Ethiopian is a *Greek* word meaning burnt-face or black, and again this does not necessarily mean African since the Greeks themselves described peoples in India as being Ethiopians also! The ancient Hebrews described Western Kushi who were Africans as well as Eastern Kushi, assumming those who were not. Ziporah was a Midianite, whose people come from the east. Therefore it is not really established if she was indeed of African ancestry or not, only that she was black or very dark. [QUOTE][qb]Hebrew means nomadic and it was used to describe the nomadic people descended from Abraham. But it also has applications for other Semitic people that are also Asiatic nomads. The most likely origin of word Hebrew is "ibri" which is derived from "br" which means "to cross over a boundary". (ISBE, revised, Hebrew) All have Semitic origins. Included in this thought is that a "Hebrew" would be one "who crossed over" or one who went from place to place, a nomad, a wanderer, an alien. This designation that would fit some aspects of patriarchal behavior. If this is correct, then a Hebrew is one who travels into another land as a nomad and resides as an alien. It also means that the term has origins outside of Palestine and is a common expression that was etymologically modified from a nomad to specific ethnic group (Jews) whose origin was nomadic through Abram. Essentially, Hebrews is what the Semitic nomads became known as but later a specific group was labeled as (the descendents of Abraham). The first time the word "Hebrew" is used in the Bible is in Gen 14:13. Abraham is first called a "Hebrew" in Gen 14:13. Abraham - common paternal J marker ancestor. Why is this so hard for you to understand. You keep arguing with this concept of Hebrew. For months you have argued against the idea that Hebrew does not mean Jew. The term was used hundreds of years before the term Jew was coined after the establishment of the city of Judah. [/qb][/QUOTE]Again, this is all a matter of semantics. If by Hebrew YOU mean Western Asian nomads, then so be it. But when most people speak of 'Hebrews' they specifically refer to the historical ethnic group who were the ancestors of the Jewish people. Even the scriptures as stated by the actual Hebrew people themselves, identified other groups living in the Levant besides them who they did [i]not[/i] call Hebrews (consider them as part of their own group) even though they had a lot in common as nomadic pastoralists and may have been closely related. Osirion, you may be a religious person and so am I, but I don't see how any of these facts conflict with your beliefs. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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