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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by alTakruri: [qb] Graves' The Greek Myths is an excellent source for this kind of thing. Diop (can't recall which work) posits the Amazons as 'non-african' women -- his bias against Berbers -- who found respect for females among Africans. He makes good points, based on cultural analysis, for why Amazons aren't native to Africa.[/qb][/QUOTE]I've only read Grave's work as it pertains to other Greek myths, but exactly what points did Diop make for his conclusion? Remember, Diop did not consider Berbers to be true indigenous (black) Africans even though linguistics, archaeolocy and anthropology as well as recently genetics have proven otherwise and that only the coastal Berbers of the Maghreb possess maternal European lineages. [QUOTE][qb]Truth to tell, I wonder if the metal age Imazighen were the product of the indigenous North African males taking Sea Peoples' women and gelding or otherwise hampering Sea Peoples' men from leaving progeny?[/qb][/QUOTE]Is it because of the male bias lineages in the area? Remember that we have the same phenomenon in the northeast Mediterranean including the Levant and Greece. Although we have very minute evidence of maternal lineages such as N1. [QUOTE][qb]Don't really know enough about north and northeast Med culture but those lightest skinned Imazighen of 3000 years ago, or even in the rock art, don't display anything like what I imagine north/northeast Med culture to have been like at that time.[/qb][/QUOTE]I know more about northeast Med. culture. All evidence indicates that the Mediterranean cultures during the early Bronze Age and especially during the Neolithic were probably matriarchal or matric in aspect. This is inferred from the archaeological finds, and many myths and stories of the peoples. Although there hasn't been much evidence actual female warriors in the area, it would not be much of surprise that they existed. By the way, what rock-art of these "lightest-skinned" females do you speak of? All the rock-art I've seen depicted dark-skinned aparently black women. [QUOTE][qb]Fig 1. Top of image: North African males in the Aegean w/t kind of females who lightened their complexions? [IMG]http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1206/therawarscene016zn.jpg[/IMG][/qb][/QUOTE]I've seen this frescoe before and others like it; however I have alse seen frescoes, especially ones from Crete which depict females in the same dark color as the males. But could the lighter convention in females be an influence from Egypt or something? Even in later Classical Greek art, women were given a lighter complexion than men who painted as tanned. There are a few depictions in Greek art of the Libyan Gorgon Amazons. Here is one below [IMG]http://www.myrine.at/Amazons/africa.jpg[/IMG] ^The vase painting depicts a Libyan Amazon kneeling in prayer before an altar. Many scholars have pointed out the "negroid" features of the woman. And notice that the strange altar she prays in front of is the exact same kind depicted in Greek paintings featuring Egyptians. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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