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[QUOTE]Originally posted by kenndo: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [qb] rasol quote: _____________________________________________________________ On the one hand their enemies are said to include "nubians:" Kushites, on the other their allies are said to include "nubians": Medijay. ___________________________________________________________ Rasol you have brought up an important point, that being that both Kushites and Medijay lived in Nubia. Although this would appear contradictory , given the obvious differences they showed in terms of loyalty to the Egyptians or the Hyksos, it is easy explained by the origin of the two groups: Kushite and Medijay. The Armana Letters make it clear that the Medijay belonged to the Meluhha/Punt confederation. As many people have noted some Egyptian records maintain that Punt was the original homeland for some Egyptians. Many Kushites on the otherhand, belonged to the Tehenu group , which correspond, according to some researchers to the C-Group people. Given the fact that the Kushites included many Tehenu, it was only natural that they may have been more favorable to the Hyksos, than the Egyptians, since some members of this group may have been descendants of Tehenu people. As a result, when you bring up the multi-ethnic aspects of the political scene during this period you are highlighting the fact that the character of African politics at this time were complicated to say the least. [/qb][/QUOTE]I have to Disagree with you on this one about the kerma group and later kushites. The c-group and kerma group kushites share broad similarities ,but for the most part are very different. recent research suggest that folks from yam,or prekerma group and earlier upper and southern nubians came from the dafur,noba region southwest sudan and the southern central sahara and southern sahara region and the kushites came from this group. Now on the other hand the c-group resettle lower nubia in 2400 b.c. After the a-group disappeared ,so the c-group nubians have a different origin in the sahara and came from the libyan desert while the kushites came from the southwest and they were already in upper nubia before the c-group came in, so the c-group were mostly likely or may have been from the tehenu group while the kushites were not-like supercar would say the nubians were/are heterogeneous. later kushites that formed the napatan and later period of kush would be new waves of nubians(kushites) from the southwestern sudan and during this time the c-group nubians disappeared since we have no on going proof of settlements in lower nubia at this time and lower nubia was empty again until new waves of kushites from the south came in. so kushites do not have a tehenu origin but mostly likely the c-group in lower nubia did.The kerma kush group clearly evolved from the pre-kerma group in upper nubia. lower nubia always had a small population while the rest of nubia was always never empty and had a much larger population. THE comments you made about the medjay seems to be on point and your last comment as well. correction-in the book i have the c-group came from the a-group so the c-group do not have a tehenu origin,i just found the info in time.so few a-group nubians survived and became the c-group . A very good book on the c-group and early kush would be ancient nubia:egypt's rival in africa by david o'conner.Some of it needs updating but when it comes to very early upper/and southern nubia and the date there are more recent info or books for that. I have it in my house and the info i just gave above was taken from the book. I read some of it again before i posted because i wanted to make sure i get it right. :) [/QB][/QUOTE]
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