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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Horemheb: [qb] You have no real evidence that the Natufians were negroid in the modern sense...[/qb][/QUOTE][b]LOL[/b] And what do you mean by "modern" sense?! Exactly what sense would that be?!! In the 1932 article: [i][b]They were clearly a Negroid people,[/b] said Sir Arthur, with wide faces flat- noses and long large heads.[/i] And more recently Larry Angel (1972): [i]one can identify [b]Negroid traits of nose and prognathism[/b] appearing in Natufian latest hunters.(McCown, 1939)[/i]... C.L. Brace (2005): [i]If the late Pleistocene Natufian sample from Israel is the source from which that Neolithic spread was derived, there was [b]clearly a sub-Saharan African element present[/b] of almost equal importance as the Late Prehistoric Eurasian element.[/i] Brace's new Cranio-facial map [IMG]http://tinypic.com/eg3539.jpg[/IMG] ^^notice the comparison between Natufians and Niger-Congo speakers! [QUOTE][qb]..That they spread to Europe or even invented agriculture is speculation.[/qb][/QUOTE]the rest of Larry Angel's statement: [i]and in Anatolian and [b]Macedonian first farmers[/b] (Angel, 1972), probably from Nubia via the predecesors of the Badarians and Tasians"[/i] And ironically here is a source brought to you right from your home by the University of Houston Texas!!: [URL=http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi540.htm]Engines of Ingenuity: #540--[b]INVENTING AGRICULTURE[/b][/URL] [i]Today, a new look at the birth of a very old technology. The University of Houston's College of Engineering presents this series about the machines that make our civilization run, and the people whose ingenuity created them. Scholars have been turning their lenses back on the invention of farming. We know farming began eight to ten thousand years ago in the Middle East and the Holy Land. We also know it began after certain wild wheats mutated. The seeds of those wild grains weren't as fat and rich as modern wheat, but they blew in the wind. They sowed themselves. You could harvest them without having to plant them. Modern wheat was a fertile mutation of wild wheat. It made much better food. But its seeds don't go anywhere. They're bound more firmly to the stalk, and they cannot ride the wind. Without farmers to collect and sow wheat, it dies. Modern wheat creates farming by wedding its own survival to that of the farmer. [b]In 8000 B.C. the Natufians -- a hunting-gathering people -- lived in the region around Jericho and the Dead Sea. They were first to cultivate this new mutation -- this modern wheat. They became the first farmers.[/b] By then, the climate had been warming for 2000 years. Once the area had been fairly lush. Now it grew arid. Game moved north. The vegetation changed. But the wild grains did well in the drier climate. The Natufians began eating a lot more grain. And here we come to a great riddle. How did modern wheat replace those wild grains? Isolated mutations died without human help. Was some human clever enough to recognize and pick out that lone stalk of fat wheat in a field of grain? We used to think so. But maybe the drama played out in quite a different way. By 8000 B.C. the Natufians needed much more grain. They probably began doing some planting to create it. Once they did, the fat wheat had its chance. It was easier to harvest. The seeds stayed in place when you cut it. Every time the Natufians harvested seed, they got proportionately more of the mutations. They lost more of the wild grain. It took only a generation or so of that before a single mutation took over. The result was an unexpected wedding. In no time at all, modern wheat dominated the fields. And that was both a blessing and a curse. The Natufians unwittingly replaced the old wild wheat with far richer food. But it was a food that could survive only by their continued intervention. No more lilies of the field. From now on we would live better, but we would also be forever bound to this wonderful new food by the new technology of agriculture. [b]I'm John Lienhard, at the University of Houston, where we're interested in the way inventive minds work.[/b][/i] Sorry Hore, but if getting slammed by white scholars who know their stuff isn't bad enough. How does it feel to take one from your own fellow colleagues of Texas?! :D [QUOTE][qb]This is what I call 'cherry picking' history. Grabbing a line here, a fact there and then deciding to put it all together in a way that suits the purpose.[/qb][/QUOTE]Nope. This is what I call true science and scholarship-- grabbing all of the FACTS and by using multiple disciplines and approaches come to the [b]most reasonable[/b] conclusion. This seems to be something YOU have a hard time doing, professor. [QUOTE][qb]the internet has done many great things but one of the negative things it has done is open the door for every half eductaed radical nit wit that wants to create some political history.[/qb][/QUOTE]Nope, that is what YOU do all the time with your ridiculous theories that blacks who were the original populations of North Africa somehown succumbed to "caucasian" who mysterious appeared and began creating a civilization there that despite its location in Africa became a "Near Eastern" power. :rolleyes: [QUOTE][qb]My advice is to always be cautious and conservative when dealing with facts on the edge of civilization and beyond. If a view has merit it will be established over time and it will be correct, as least as far as the information we have allows. [/qb][/QUOTE] :o You are right about [i]this[/i] advice; however merit has ALREADY been established onto who the Natufians were and what they accomplished! Sorry if you cannot accept what the experts have said. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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