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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Horemheb: [qb] You did not establish a relationship between the two groups, you just surmised it. I read Brace's report, he did not say what you are saying. This is a classic example of the careless scholarship I have been talking about. Go back and read Brace. When you do don't over look all of the qualifiers he uses, they are vital. Don't take a 'possibly' and make it a fact. The point is that based on your theory the neolithic landscape would have been black all the way to the Med basin which is total nonsense. "If the Late Pleistocene Natufian sample from Israel is the source from which that Neolithic spread was derived, then there was clearly a Sub-Saharan African element present of almost equal importance as the Late Prehistoric Eurasian element. At the same time, the failure of the Neolithic and Bronze Age samples in central and northern Europe to tie to the modern inhabitants supports the suggestion that, while a farming mode of subsistence was spread westward and also north to Crimea and east to Mongolia by actual movement of communities of farmers, the indigenous foragers in each of those areas ultimately absorbed both the agricultural subsistence strategy and also the people who had brought it. The "if" portion of the statement is problematic. While Natufians are widely acknowledged as a culture anticipating the arrival of the Neolithic, they were not the first Neolithic agriculturalists, nor where they the immediate source of the transmission of agriculture. According to Pinhasi and Pluciennik (CURRENT ANTHROPOLOGY Volume 45, Number S4, August-October 2004): Analysis of the material suggests that there was considerable morphological heterogeneity among the earliest farmers of the Levant belonging to the Pre-Pottery Neolithic but that similar variability is generally not seen among the earliest mainland agriculturalists of south-eastern Europe. We propose that this may be explained by the existence of a genetic "bottleneck" among Anatolian populations and that it supports models of the largely exogenous origin of many early Neolithic populations in this region. Thus, the sample of 4 Natufian individuals does not represent the first pre-pottery Neolithic populations, and moreover, it does not represent the immediate source of the Neolithic in Europe, which was that of the Neolithic agriculturalists of Anatolia. As Pinhasi and Pluciennik state: Analysis of morphological variability in the Near East and Europe (here and in Pinhasi 2003) suggests that the Epipalaeolithic populations from the Natufian Levant were noticeably different to the Mesolithic populations described from the Danube Gorge, the western Mediterranean, and central Europe. No close similarities were observed between Early Neolithic and Mesolithic European groups in any of the regions studied, with the possible exception of Mediterranean Europe. However, neither were clear affinities observed between Epipalaeolithic Near Eastern groups and any other Neolithic or Mesolithic groups. The last statement is important, because it establishes that the Natufians did not have clear associations with the first Neolithic groups. So, while they are believed to be pre-agricultural culturally they are not related to any Neolithic groups biologically." Brace finds similarities between [/qb][/QUOTE]But your post reaffirms the POINT of Brace's study, which is that the Europeans of today are NOT the same as the Europeans of the Neolithic. Likewise, it suggests that the development of Agriculture was INTRODUCED into Europe by NON European migrants, who were ABSORBED into the population. What Brace suggests as POSSIBLE, therefore, is that the Natufians represent part of the migration of people INTO Europe that INTRODUCED agriculture to Europe. But make no mistake, whether you believe that the Natufians introduced agriculture or not, Brace suggests that agriculture did NOT originate in Europe among the indigenous inhabitants, it was INTRODUCED from ELSEHWHERE. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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