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[QUOTE]Originally posted by rasol: [QB] [QUOTE]I think you're misinterpreting and taking Keita's statements out of context, he said *IF* such a thing exists.[/QUOTE]Actually, it was I who noted that "If such exists" properly qualifies the concept of Black genetic influence, and not as you implied, the quality of prof. Angel's work. [QUOTE]I like what Underhill said of E-m81, that its incorrect to assume that all E-M81 is closely related,[/QUOTE]I like what Underhill said too: [i]The point is that one should be careful not to assume that all M81 chromosomes are recently closely related. It is import to recognize that M81 probably does not truly occupy a "tip" in the Y tree even if depicted as such in some data sets. [/i] But I don't see how it refutes Keita, or alters Underhill's assessment of E3b. [i]Underhill PA, Passarino G, Lin AA, Shen P, Mirazon Lahr M, Foley RA, Oefner PJ, Cavalli-Sforza LL. The phylogeography of Y chromosome binary haplotypes and the origins of modern human populations. Human Genetics 2001 Jan;65(Pt 1):43-62. “The M35(E3b)/M215 sub-clade cluster of heliotypes fragments a lineage described previously (Hammer et al. 1997). [b]We suggest that a population with this sub-clade of the African YAP/M145/M203/PN2 cluster[/b] expanded into the southern and eastern Mediterranean at the end of the Pleistocene.”[/i] [QUOTE]you're making the mistake of assuming that *ALL* E3b1 subclades and clusters are "black African, ie, closely related.[/QUOTE]No assumptions necessary in citing Keita and Underhill and Angel and foresight based on prior experience that [b]no one can refute them.[/b] The only mistake involved is in continually confusing clades and "clusters", which have no bearing on Keita's point. Your entire argument depends upon PRETENDING NOT TO UNDERSTAND the difference between cluster and clade. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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