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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [qb] djehuti I am surprised to discover you know much about African history but none about your own. The earliest remains in China are of "Negro" people. Next we have the Classical Mongoloids or Austronesian speakers.[/qb][/QUOTE]Well Winters, the earliest remains [i]anywhere[/i] on th globe were "negro" including Europe, what exactly is your point? [QUOTE][qb]Archaeological research makes it clear that Negroids were very common to ancient China. F. Weidenreich ( in [b]Bull. Nat. Hist. Soc. Peiping [/b]13, (1938-30) noted that the one of the earliest skulls from north China found in the Upper Cave of Chou-k'ou-tien, was of a Oceanic Negroid/ Melanesoid " (p.163). This is the so-called Peking Man. This would place people in China during the Mesolithic looking like African/Negro people , not native American.[/qb][/QUOTE]Well since ALL non-Africans are descended from Africans this is not really surpring. And we also have the negroid remains of Lucy in South America who pre-dates the Olmecs by the way. [QUOTE][qb]These blacks were the dominant group in South China. Kwang-chih Chang, writing in the 4th edition of [b]Archaeology of ancient China [/b](1986) wrote that:" by the beginning of the Recent (Holocene) period the population in North China and that in the southwest and in Indochina had become sufficiently differentiated to be designated as Mongoloid and OCEANIC NEGROID races respectively…."(p.64). By the Upper Pleistocene the Negroid type was typified by the Liu-chiang skulls from Yunnan (Chang, 1986, p.69).[/qb][/QUOTE]I wouldn't say 'dominant'. Even by dynastic Chinese times black populations were a minority but still acknowledged. One of the ancient Kingdoms of Malaysia were said to be ruled by a very dark queen. [QUOTE][qb]Negroid skeletons dating to the early periods of Southern Chinese history have been found in Shangdong, Jiantung, Sichuan, Yunnan, Pearl River delta and Jiangxi especially at the initial sites of Chingliengang (Ch'ing-lien-kang) and Mazhiabang (Ma chia-pang) phases ( see: K.C. Chang, [b]The archaeology of ancient China,[/b] (Yale University Press:New Haven,1977) p.76) . The Chingliengang culture is often referred to as the Ta-wen-k'ou (Dawenkou) culture of North China. The presence of Negroid skeletal remains at Dawenkou sites make it clear that Negroes were still in the North in addition to South China. The Dawenkou culture predates the Lung-shan culture which is associated with the Xia civilization.[/qb][/QUOTE]Well that depends on what you call 'negroid'. Kenewick Man in North America and even some Africans were called "caucasoid"! [QUOTE][qb]Many researchers believe that the Yi of Southern China were the ancestors of the Austronesian, Polynesian and Melanesian people.[/qb][/QUOTE]But there are others that suggests the indigenous people of Taiwan were the ancestors of Austronesian speakers and may have even been responsible for the spread of Neolithic culture in East Asia! Certain genetic studies seem to support this. [QUOTE][qb]In the Chinese literature the Blacks were called li-min, Kunlung, Ch'iang (Qiang), Yi and Yueh. The founders of the Xia Dynasty and the Shang Dynasties were blacks. These blacks were called Yueh and Qiang. The modern Chinese are descendants of the Zhou. The second Shang Dynasty ( situated at Anyang) was founded by the Yin. As a result this dynasty is called Shang-Yin.[/qb][/QUOTE]And where is the evidence that Xia were black?!! You even claim a Manding connection to Japanese, so there ends the story. [QUOTE][qb]The Yin or Classical/ Oceanic Mongoloid type is associated with the Austronesian speakers ( Kwang-chih Chang, "Prehistoric and early historic culture horizons and traditions in South China", [b]Current Anthropology,[/b] 5 (1964) pp.359-375 :375). Djehuti your Austronesian or Oceanic ancestors were referred to in the Chinese literature as Yin, Feng, Yen, Zhiu Yi and Lun Yi.[/qb][/QUOTE]More broke-down evidence in the form of poor linguistics. :rolleyes: [/QB][/QUOTE]
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