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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] The problem here is not so much the FACT of bias among modern Egyptians towards darker Africans. The problem is the DENIAL by many western Egyptologists and Egyptians that this sort of bias exists at all. But this is not strange because technically, Egyptology is mainly focused on the FIRST 3,000 years of Egypt's history, not the last 2,000. In fact they would rather ignore it, because Western Egyptology exists because of the "generosity" of the foreign rulers of Egypt in the 1700s. During the 1700s and 1800s many of the artifacts taken out of Egypt were taken with PERMISSION of the Egyptian authorities. Mohammed Ali and other European and Turkish rulers of the country wanted to DESTROY ancient Egyptian monuments either because they were against Islam, wanted to use them for building materials and other such ANTI ancient Egyptian type reasons. Not only does this show how that the foreign elites held ancient Egyptian culture in disdain and scorn, but also that Europeans benefitted from this to aqcuire many monuments for PRIVATE collections, which eventually went to museums. In the late 1700s, France, under Napoleon, and Britain fought for control of Egypt. France was defeated by the British, but then a local leader, Mohammed Ali, rose and defeated the British. Subsequently, France and Britain sent agents to Egypt secure concessions for their home countries. Among the concessions granted to these Europeans were the rights to excavate various monuments in Egypt. Now when I say rights to excavate, I mean that they had the rights to TAKE whatever they found. It was during this period of Egyptian history that MANY Egyptian monuments and artifacts were TAKEN out of Egypt. This only ACCELLERATED during the colonial period, after the British defeated the Egyptians and colonized Egypt. As a result of the resistance to British occupation and the realization of the importance of ancient Egyptian history to tourism and trade, Egypt began to clamp down on the taking of Egyptian artifacts out of Egypt. Not coincidentally, the discovery of Tut's tomb was a seminal point in this process, when Egypt REFUSED to allow the British to take Tut's artifacts out of the country (Carter felt they were HIS artifacts and that someohow it was HIS heritage). Many Europeans who were active in the freewheeling period of the late 1700s to early 1800s felt that these monuments represented their own heritage, no doubt inspired by the scorn of the Turks and Islamicists towards anything Egyptian. http://www.travellersinegypt.org/archives/2005/04/bernardino_drovetti.html http://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/egypt.htm Likewise, Cairo is predominantly the capital city because it was founded and built by foreigners. Therefore Cairo has a higher population of foreign derived Egyptians than other places. It was the ruling seat of foreign invaders and is still home to the descendants of these foreigners, the modern Egyptian elite. http://touregypt.net/cairo2.htm Sure, there has been mixing between Egyptians and people of Europe and the Levant since the beginning. However, the modern populations of Cairo and places in the north are NOT the same populations that existed in 3000 B.C. Also, the NORTH of the country was sparsely populated relative to the South in ancient times. So people in the North were relatively a smaller than the population in the South. Over Egypt's long history there has ALWAYS been a struggle between South vs North. Many times it was a battle between foreign backed Northern princes against Southern African backed Southern Princes. These facts are recorded for posterity. What you have now is an Egyptian government THOROUGHLY dominated by foreign descended elites, with the MOST indigenous parts of the population at the VERY BOTTOM of the socio-economic ladder. Egypt now wants to promote tourism for its monuments among Europeans at the same time trying to keep the antiquities from being destroyed by religious zealots. Likewise, Egypt tries to make ancient Egyptian history part of a wider pan-arab history, but in order to do so, it would have to blot out the history of ANTI ancient Egyptian sentiment by many of the Islamic Arab and European rulers of Egypt for the last 1300 years. It would also have to blot out the history of slavery in East Africa and Egypt promoted by these same European and Arab Islamists. Therefore, what you get is a distorted view of history that tries to EMPHASIZE ties between Egypt and the wider "Middle East" when there WERE NONE. Ancient Egypt REGULARLY fought against invaders from the Levant and Libya. Ancient Egypt suffered as a result of incursions from the Levant, Europea and Libya. Therefore, trying to make Egypt part of a wider "Middle East" only distorts the relationship between Egypt and the "Middle East", meaning other parts of North Africa, the Mediterranean and Levant. Sure, there were relationships and blood ties between some Egyptians and people from these areas, but Dynastic Egyptian culture AROSE from the SOUTH of Egypt, where presumably there was NOT much of any relationship with people in the Levant and other parts of Northern Africa. Therefore, this distortion of Egyptian history results in minimizing of the South of Egypt as the important player in Egypt's dynastic period as well as over emphasizing Northern Egypt. Cairo and the NOrth may be the center of power the elites in modern Egypt, but in the dynastic period it was the opposite. Therefore, just as many of today's Northern Egyptians have ties to the greater "Middle East", ancient Elites would have had ties to the South and other parts of Africa to the South. Egyptian elites from the late 18th century: http://www.egyptedantan.com/famille_souveraine/famille_souveraine.htm Cairo: (note the postcard identifying the "Negar" towards the bottom) http://www.egyptedantan.com/le_caire/le_caire.htm [/QB][/QUOTE]
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