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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ausar: [QB] [QUOTE]The arabs were first. 1. East Africans were slaves in the Arab world from the very beginning of the Arabs conquest of Africa: http://www.angelfire.com/nt/Gilgamesh/zinj.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Jahiz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_slave_trade Many have said that the Arab dislike and disrespect of Africans started with the cultural and religious differences of Africans versus Islam and Arabs, as well as things like the Zinj rebellion and writings of people like Al-Jahiz.[/QUOTE]Yes, the Zanji from the modern day areas of Tanzania,Kenya and other parts were often slaves in the areas of the Abbasid Iraq. I am not excusing neither the Arab pratice of slavery nor the racism that many Arabic writers expressed for black people. Don't forget to mention that Arabs also detested Eastern Europeans and Turkish people whom they used as slaves. The Arabian slave trade was not based upon race like the American system. Many of the enslaved people of all ethnicities could rise up and become rulers or great scholars. Some African example is the great Zaryab and also a ruler from the Abbasid caliph was of African origin. [QUOTE]2. The Ottomans. The Ottomans may not have been Arab, but they were STILL following in the footsteps of their Arab Muslim predecessors as slave holders and using slaves to build their empire. http://www.humanities.ualberta.ca/ottoman/module2/tutorial2b.htm[/QUOTE] Slavery and slave trading existed well before both the Ottomans and Arabs. Greco-Romans had a system of chattel slavery. Most of Athens was comprised of slaves. [QUOTE]3. The Europeans pretty much got most of their ideas of slavery and racism, albeit more against "black" Africans than whites from the Arabs and Ottomans. Of the three, the WORST were the Arabs and Ottomans. Why? Because men were made eunuchs and women were made concubines, where if they had children, the children were killed on the spot. THAT is why there are very few mixed African descendants in the former Ottoman Empire and places like Iraq, which had large numbers of African slaves. The European system wasnt much BETTER, but the slave was a commodity no better than cattle or livestock and therefore more VALUABLE alive not only as a worker but as a producer of offspring.[/QUOTE]The concept of eunuchs actually is something that both the Arabs and Ottomans learned from the Byzantines. Greco-Romans had this concept well before both these people ever established an empire. The reason why there are so few desendants is because there was very little stigma mixing with desendants of slaves. Unlike America, neither the Arabs nor Ottomans had laws that restricted intermarriage between desendants of enslaved Africans. Thus most of the desendants of enslaved Africans melted in the population. The other factor being very few males were imported into the Arab world for plantation labour nor breed for such activity. The only exception was of course in Southern Iraq. The Zanji revolt put a end to plantation based slavery in the Arab world. Many rulers in the Arab world came from concubines. A concubine who gave an Arab father a son was adopted and raised as an Arab. He could also own his father's property and become ruler if his father is in such a status. Neither eunuchs nor concubines were restricted to just black people. Plenty of Slavic people were imported into Arabia as concubines and eunuchs. BTW, there are still existing populations of both Afro-Iraqis and Afro-Turks. Plenty of the desendants of enslaved Africans still exist in areas like Qatar,Saudi Arabia,Bahrain,UAE and Kuwait. Plenty of Arabs from Syria down to Yemen have Mtdna lineages that trace back to even Central Africans. Information about Afro-Turkish people from the Ottomans empire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Turks Journal of Black Studies, Vol. 33, No. 3, 281-294 (2003) DOI: 10.1177/0021934702238632 © 2003 SAGE Publications The Invisibility Of Turks Of African Origin And The Construction Of Turkish Cultural Identity The Need for a New Historiography Esma Durugönül Akdeniz University This article analyzes the formation of national/cultural identity as well as historiography and history education in Turkey, the latter elements being fundamental to a sound understanding of identity formation in any society. African Turks, whose ancestors were brought to the Ottoman Empire at that time and of whose presence many in Turkish society today are not informed at all, are taken as an example of the elements of Turkish society that have been neglected. Key Words: http://jbs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/33/3/281 [/QB][/QUOTE]
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