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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by alTakruri: [qb] Nice on target shot Yazid! The "Veiled Ones" you speak of were the Mulathimun (wearers of the litham/veil) aka the Sanhaja al~Murabitun dynasty, not the chronologically later "Tuareg" called Kel Tagelmust of the Kel Tamasheq. A lot of this really requires some kicking around and about in northern African cultural history in between the end of Roman/Byzantine eras and the early Islamic era. A folk's tribal geneaology, though couched in lineage terms, doesn't necessarily correspond to modern/Euro/American ideas of biological genetic kinship relation. And I might add, with absolutely no apology, nor does it need to fit in the foreign detribalized western scientific straight jacket which is this forum's [i]modus operendi[/i]. All "TuaregS" don't have a single origin. Many clans in the Sahara came together to form those people we call "Tuareg." Some who moved south from Tunisia/Tripolitania took on a kel identity. Some from what's now the Morocco/Western Sahara southside of the Atlas and south of the Atlas went into the Sahara taking on a kel identity. Even those of the Hawwara who went Saharan rather than Egyptian or Maghribi made a kel identity for themselves. To remain in sync with the passing of time, the "Tuareg" weren't the only or earliest veil wearers in the Sahara.[/qb][/QUOTE]^Thanks for the info. I keep forgetting that the Tuareg are not a single homogenous group. The fact that they were nomadic as well as the genetic evidence which especially shows varied maternal lineages should be proof enough of that. So I guess the Tuareg of the Sahara can be compared to I guess 'Arabs' of Arabia who consisted of different peoples that all adopted the Arab name then. So who, if possible, can be identified as the 'origina' Tuareg? [QUOTE][qb]If one of the great divisions of Imazighen were the Sanhaja, then in turn one segment of Sanhaja were those who lived in the Sahara and wore the veil. The veil/litham/gelmus was a sign of distinction and identity for the al~Murabitun and no one in Almorabid dynasty Spain dare wear the veil if they in fact weren't of al~Murabitun. All the following Saharan folk were Sanhaja and muLaththamun or veil-wearers:[list] [*]Anbiya [*]Djuddala [*]Kakdam [*]Lamtuna [*]Lamta [*]Masufa [*]Targa [*]Tizki [*]Wurika [/list] The veil was a fashionable necessity of post Roman/Byzantine era Saharan Sanhaja that became a uniform accessory of early Islamic era al~Murabitun far from the desert up in what would become Spain to finally be retained en vogue in our current era by the Kel Tagelmoust. Ah, but did early metal age Saharans also wear the veil? Rock art and seemingly fanciful Greco-Roman accounts do indicate that very likely they did. [IMG]http://www.daviddarling.info/images/Tassili.jpg[/IMG] The Veiled Ones who were the Blue Men probably got that moniker from the indigo dye of ther garments. RedCow can fill us in on the indigo industry of West Africa and its transplanting in the USA southlands.[/qb][/QUOTE]So exactly how old is the tradition of Saharan men wearing the veil? Are there really Greco-Roman accounts of them, if so can you provide any? By the way, that rock painting example looks rather vague to me. Are there any more clear examples of possible veils being worn? Also, can you answer this previous question: [QUOTE]Djehuti asked: [qb] ...who are the Imraguen? And other than being the original inhabitants of Mauritania, what else is known of the Bafur?? I ask because Imraguen sounds Berber. Are the Imraguen Berber speakers? Were the Bafur Berber speakers or did they speak an Afrasian language at all??[/qb][/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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