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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ausar: [QB] kawashkar said: [QUOTE]WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "INDIGENOUS"? THERE STARTS THE PROBLEMS. BERBERS ARE VERYANCIENT AND THEY HAVE ADMIXTURE WITH PHOENICIANS AND ROMANS SINCE THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO[/QUOTE]Ausar responds: The question is wheather the modern Berber speaking population matches the original inhabitants of North-western Africa. kawashkar said: [QUOTE]SOME BLACKS HAVE COME TO NORTH AFRICA ALL THE TIME, AND ALSO SOME WHITES HAVE GONE THERE BUT YOU DREAM IF YOU BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL BERBERS WERE NUBIANS OR BANTU WEST AFRICANS. THE "CAUCASIAN" PEOPLE OF NORTH AFRICA IS VERY ANCIENT AND NO REVISIONISM WILL CHANGE THAT[/QUOTE]Ausar responds: This is incorrect. North-western Africa has always had indigenous ''black'' populations that had affinities with Africans further south. During the Neolithic the Sahara desert did not exist and within the Sahara were people biologically related to most Western African people. Even today you have the Haratin poeple that are indigenous to Southern Morocco. Know you have yet to define your terms: 1. How do you define ''caucasoid'' and from what criteria is used to determine if the Berber speaking poeple are such? 2. Who were the original Berber speaking people? On what basis can we say the modern Berber speaking people are pristine examples of the original populations of North-western Africa? kawashkar said: [QUOTE]FOLLOWER OF ALLAH IS A MOOR. NOTHING MORE THAN THAT. THAT'S ABSOLUTE IGNORANCY. MOOR HAS ALWAYS MEAN IN SPAIN M-U-S-L-I-M, AND ONLY MUSLIM. THAT'S WHAT ALL PEOPLE KNOWS IN THERE. MAHOMMED WAS A MOOR, AND ANY AT'S ABSOLUTE IGNORANCY. MOOR HAS ALWAYS MEAN IN SPAIN M-U-S-L-I-M, AND ONLY[/QUOTE]Ausar responds: The problem with this is the fact the term Moor was not first used in Spain but actually by both the Greeks and Romans. The term Mauros meant people with ''dark skin''. kawashkar said: [QUOTE]SUBSAHARIAN AFRICANS.IS ONLY RECENTLY THAT AFROCENTRISM HAS CONVERTED THE MOORS IN BLACK ONLY RECENTLY THAT AFROCENTRISM HAS CONVERTED THE MOORS IN BLACK[/QUOTE]Ausar responds: See again the etymology of the term Moor as stated in previous quote kawashkar said: [QUOTE]LOLNO BLACK AFRICAN EVER RULED SPAIN. READ THE RECORDS. THE LAST "MOOR" OF SPAIN AFRICAN EVER RULED SPAIN. READ THE RECORDS. THE LAST "MOOR" OF SPAINWAS BLOND BLUE EYED. LOL [/QUOTE]Ausar responds: Could you please cite a reference for this claim? kawashkar said: [QUOTE]THAT'S TRUE FOR NORTHERN EUROPE BUT NOT FOR SPAIN[/QUOTE]In Italy many black figures such as St. Benedict the Moor as called as such. kawashkar said: [QUOTE]NOTHER BIG AFROCENTRIC DRIVEN MISTAKE. MAURITANIA OF TODAY IS NOT THE ANOTHER BIG AFROCENTRIC DRIVEN MISTAKE. MAURITANIA OF TODAY IS NOT THE MAURITANIA OF HISTORICAL TIMES. ANCIENT MAURITANIA WAS THE MAGREB. TODAY'S MAURITANIA WAS INVADED BY THE MOORS AND CONTROLLED BY THEM, LIKE MOST OF THE NORTHERN PART OF SUBSAHARIAN AFRICA THAT WAS CONTROLLED BY THE NORTH TODAY'S MAURITANIA WAS INVADED BY THE MOORS AND CONTROLLED BY THEM, LIKE MOST OF THE NORTHERN PART OF SUBSAHARIAN AFRICA THAT WAS CONTROLLED BY THE NORTH AFRICANS[/QUOTE]Ausar responds: Yes, the ancient Mauretania was around parts of today's Northern Africa but the term Mauros used by the Greeks still means dark skinned. The Greeks thought the people in Mauretania were darker than them. Modern Mauritania was invaded both by Northern Africans and by Yemeni Arabs. kawashkar said: [QUOTE]THEY ARE MUSLIM. BUT THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOT THE HISTORICAL MOORS[/QUOTE]Who were the historical Moors? Did they have an exact name to go by? You contridicted yourself saying that Moor only applies to Muslim. kawashkar said: [QUOTE]WRONG ONCE AGAIN. THAT'S WHAT AFROCENTRISM PRETENDS. NORTHERN AFRICA WAS ALWAYS A PLACE THAT RECEIVED MEDITERRANEAN IMMIGRANTS: SEMITES, PHOENICIANS JEWS, ARABS, GREEKS, ROMANS, IBERIANS. AND ALSO IT WAS A REGION THAT SEND PEOPLES TO NORTHERN EUROPE.[/QUOTE]True, but was the population density greater than the original inhabitants of Northern Africa? Would such groups leave a large enough impact before 700 A.D. We also know that during the Medieval period into the early 1900's millions of white slaves went into Northern Africa. Add to this Converted Christian Spainards that went back into Northern Africa and settled down. The rest of your post is just rhetoric not validated with any documentation. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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