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[QUOTE]Originally posted by What Box: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by ARROW99: [qb] 1. What was the point of contact between these Neolitic Africans and the Indo Europeans. (the SPECIFIC point of contact)[/qb][/QUOTE]I would say the Aegean and Greece proper, as we have no evidence of Indo-European contact in Africa or the Levant until later 'Classical' times with exception of the Indo-European Mitanni and Hittites who reached northern Syria in the late Bronze Age. [QUOTE][qb]2. Show a peer revied study showing classical greeks with these genes.[/qb][/QUOTE] :rolleyes: Professor, we have shown you many studies in the past showing these genes among [i]modern day[/i] Greeks which date back to the Neolithic as well actual skeletal remains, all here: [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=003466]OT: Whitewashing Ancient Greece[/URL] [QUOTE][qb]3. Demonstrate a specific cultural trait that these neolithic africans gave the Greeks.[/qb][/QUOTE]Well for one, [b]agriculture[/b] as well as animal domestication, and all the other elements of the Neolithic that is the basis for civilization i.e. urbanization, pottery, weaving, the calendar, advanced stone technology, you name it. [QUOTE][qb]3. If you cannot do these things we have to assume that there is a possiblity that these African genes were introduced later in medieval as per the study rasol posted earlier.[/qb][/QUOTE]Sorry, but the mutational rate that the scientists estimated seem to be accurate and while I don't doubt African geneflow into Europe during Medieval times (such as Moors) most of it dates back to Neolithic times. These genes correspond to anthropological findings of "negroid" traits among the first farmers of Europe, which of course correspond to the introduction of the Neolithic hence "first farmers". And again, these lineages are not just male--E3b but [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=002891]female also--N1a[/URL], although the male lineages seem to be more prevalent. [QUOTE][qb]can't tell me when the contact occured Calypso then you have nothing.[/qb][/QUOTE]We told you [i]when[/i] already, -- [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic]the Neolithic[/URL]. Where? In Greece where the Indo-European speakers found them! (I thought Cahill made that clear?) [QUOTE][qb]Might have heen 1066 or 1492 for all you know..[/qb][/QUOTE]Nope. Again, scientist can measure mutational rate and therefore estimate time of divergence from its parent lineage or sibling lineages. [QUOTE][qb]If you cannot show me specific cultural and racial contact then Cahill and ALL the classical scholars are correct.[/qb][/QUOTE]Again, "racial" is an unscientific concept that is socially subjective, but in terms of 'looks' we told you a hundred times the Neolithic forebearers had African-like traits: [i]one can identify [b]Negroid traits of nose and prognathism[/b] appearing in Natufian latest hunters.(McCown, 1939) And in Anatolian [b]and Macedonian first farmers, probably from Nubia via the predecesors of the Badarians and Tasians[/b][/i]-- Angel(1972) As for cultural --the Neolithic as I've stated above. Again did you not cite your author Cahill as saying: "[i]Of the [b]indigenous farming folk[/b] they [Greek speakers] encountered we know even less.[/i]" [b]LOL[/b] And what little we do know is that it was [i]these[/i] "indigenous farming folk" who founded the very roots of civilization before contact with Indo-European speakers! [QUOTE][qb]Stupid is not having any information, I've been waiting for days...pony up.[/qb][/QUOTE]No. Stupid is when we [i]do[/i] have information and we keep presenting it to you but you keep denying it! Stupid, is when you keep talking the same nonsense for years without hardly ever citing a thing to back up your claims, and what little you do cite you cannot successfully defend it. :o Just plain dumb as hell is doing all of the above AND trying to pose as someone else "new" here to this forum when you live in the exact same state (Texas), write in the exact same style (as well as saying the exact same nonsense), AND even citing the exact same source-- Thomas Cahill's book [i]Sailing the Wine-Dark Sea: Why the Greeks Matter[/i], Professor!!! :rolleyes: You know what they say, "Stupid is as stupid does," and well, after everything you've said and done here you're still the... [IMG]http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2416/109478sz.jpg[/IMG] [b]DEET DEE-DEE!![/b] [/qb][/QUOTE]And right, I mean right, not even five minutes later: [QUOTE] [b]You have not answered a single one of the three questions I asked....not one. You give me some general chatter about the neolithic sperad without saying one specific thing about it. Answer the questions and you win. You know the data is not there so you put out the same stuff over and over. Go back and look at the three questions again.[/b] [/QUOTE][i]IF[/i] horemheb could even read that fast :rolleyes: , that response means everyone knows what's what. Right there. No more posts needed. :o It's time hore posts [i]some[/i] thing to back up his claims. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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