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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] Another nice video: http://zapatosardientes.canalblog.com/archives/2006/05/05/1842710.html A good summary of the ethnicities of Morocco and the fact that Arabs and Moroccan Berbers are indistinguishable ethnically, obviously this means that over time the impact of European slaves, intermarriage with Spanish and Arab nomads has left many Berbers being Berber in language and culture, but they have genetically and biologically become a heterogenous population. Therefore, focusing on these Berbers as being the most indigenous form of North African is blatant nosnsense, especially if you ignore the recend European and Eurasian influence and mixing in recent North African history. Also note that the Moors are identified as being a tiny fragment of the population of modern Morocco that is located in the extreme South and are closely related to the Tuaregs. Once again, this only reinforces the facts of history in Morocco, where after the Moors left Spain, they were attacked in Morocco by the Arabs and migrated South and West, into the Sahara , Mauretania, Mali, Senegal and Niger. And even some of these remnants are mixed with Arabs. This means that the 500 years since the time the Moors dominated Moroccan culture and Spain, the Arabs have all but completely obliterated their presence and taken control of the history and culture. Wjat little is left of the connection between the Moors of Morocco and other black Africans in the Sahara and areas South of Morocco, including black Berber tribes, is something that has to be searched for and picked out, as it is not as predominant as it used to be. [QUOTE] [b]While it may be true that in Morocco one finds a more consistent and compact Berber culture than in any other North African country, today it is quite difficult to detect an actual ethnic difference between Berbers and Arabs.[/b] The distinction can be made only in language differences and in the residue of pre-Islamic elements of some cultural aspects. It can be generally observed that the people who speak the Berber tongues live in the Atlas and anti-Atlas mountain areas, while the Arab-speaking groups live in the more fertile lowlands toward the Atlantic and in the cities. .... While the Jews of the pre-Sahara lowlands have now all emigrated to Israel, there are still groups in Morocco consisting of Moors or the so-called "blue men" whose name derived from the long, indigo-colored robes they wear and whose color partially stains their skin. [b]The Moors live in the extreme south of Morocco (along the Dra river) and are nomad camel-drivers. They are completely islamized (with traces of magic-religious elements from pre-Islamic Bedouin tradition), and speak Arab intermixed with various Berber words.[/b] About 20,000 nomad Moors live in Morocco and total about half a million dispersed throughout five nations, besides Morocco, in Rio de Oro (Spanish Sahara), Mauritania (c. 320,000) Algerian Sahara and Mali. These "blue men" are closely related to the Tuareghs of the central Sahara. [/QUOTE] http://www.cdroots.com/ly-morocco.html (Although I take offense to linking the Moors with the Jews as if they are the same.) Some photos for comparison: Recent performance of somc Chleuh Berbers doing Taskiwine: http://chleuhs.com/modules/bamagalerie3/viewcat.php?id=292&cid=2&min=0&orderby=clicA&show=30 Ancient Chleuh Berbers doing taskiwine: http://www.imurig.net/modules/xoopsgallery/view_photo.php?xoops_imageid=157&set_albumName=album03&id=taskiwin01 If you go back and check I would bet that more photos of Chleuh and other Berbers would show a more decidedly black African mixture than many modern Chleuh. It is in cases like this that you need to go to the next level and find out why these black Africans are no longer as prominent among these groups. Maybe there has been an assimilation of Arabs into Berber culture, which is the cause of much of the friction between Berbers and Arabs in Morocco (even though they are indistinguishable today). This kind of question can only be answered by getting closer to the facts and complexities of Moroccan history and determining the truth. In this case, I would say that it is a classic case of Arabization through blood ties that has led to the distinctly un black African ethnicity for many Berbers in Morocco and throughout North Africa. Note, taskwine is a particular form of the Chleuh Berber Ahwach, which has more flutes and other instruments among other differences. [QUOTE] Spread in the Western High-Atlas, the taskiwine is a particular form of the ahwach. Male dance accompanied by flutes and drums and generally qualified the warlike one, it is with these areas what the ahwach based on sung poetry is with the other areas of the Atlas...... the taskiwine car its name of the horn with richly decorated powder that each dancer carries on the left shoulder. Warlike dance, it evokes heroism and of bravery and underlines the need for cohesion of the tribe. Its given rhythm rate/rhythm points out the predominance of the values, of renouncement of oneself of the profit of the continuity of the group. [/QUOTE]Translated from: http://www.agadirnet.com/agadir-programme-timitar-15-2006.html And lets not forget the most famous of the Moroccan Berber poets: Lladj Belaid. http://www.azawan.com/tachelhit/belaid/artistePres.htm Just from this you see the traditions of black Africans in Moroccan history and how that tradition is largely being erased by both Arab and European ethnic identity in North Africa. It must also not be forgotten that along with the Arabization there is a Europeanization of the people of North Africa as many have been subjected to waves of European colonists and travellers since ancient times as well. The point here being that such things are never mentioned when people try and claim that North Africa was always populated by North African caucasians, contradicting the evidence, some of which I have presented here from more recent times, let alone the evidence from ancient times. A good page on the ways Europeans have attempted to distort the identity and ethnicity of people in North Africa: http://extra.shu.ac.uk/wpw/morocco/Dellal/Dellal.htm Another note on the attitude of Chleuh Berbers and their treatment by the Arabs by a more contemporary Chleuh artist: [QUOTE] According to him, those in power were not simply unappreciative, they were also alienated because they only recognised songs sung in Arabic either by Moroccans or by Egyptians such as Abdelhalim Hafiz and Abdelwah. This attitude revived once more in him the painful feeling of being marginalised. The State, he sang, marginalises Shleuh singers, of whom he felt he was the spokesman. He continued "they want us to die silently and without dignity, on the fringes of the city like pariah dogs (zun d igh immut uydi gh umedduz, to die amongst the leavings of animals like pariah dogs). The Shleuh humorist, Abdallah Anidif spoke succinctly of the place held by this culture in the media: Tumez teshelhit gh lidaa uncek lli tamez lebcklīt gh ccanti ccanti (the space taken up by the Tashelhit language on the radio is the same as that taken up by a bicycle on the road). [/QUOTE]From: http://www.azawan.com/tachelhit/albensir/artistePres.htm (So if it is bad for modern Arab/white berbers it must have REALLY been bad for the black berbers over the last 500 years). [/QB][/QUOTE]
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