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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] Good article on Haratin identity in Morocco: http://tlj.unm.edu/articles/volume_5/intertribal_conflicts_and_customary_law_regimes_in_north_africa_a_comparison_of_haratin_and_ait_atta_indigenous_legal_systems/content.php Article on Berber identity: http://www.utexas.edu/utpress/excerpts/exbecama.html Once again, these terms have no real meaning. So called Berbers are supposed to be most numerous in Morocco. Morocco is a tiny part of North Africa and the closest part of africa to Europe. Yet people still want to believe that these white Berbers are indigenous to Africa and not really descendants of European migrants. The funniest thing is that none of these terms used by modern Berbers have any meaning when you go back 500 years. There are no traditions of anyone called Ait Atta, Kabyle or any of the other Amazigh tribal names found along coastal North Africa. Therefore, where do these people come from and what was their identity 500 years ago? I definitely do not beleive that the Sanhaja, Masmuda or Zenata Berbers of the early muslim period where white people. In fact, I firmly beleive that many of the modern white Berbers are descended partly from Jewish populations, partly from Spanish expatriates, partly from European slaves and concubines and partly from older European colonies. The fact that so many in dress and custom seem closer to the Bulgarian women I posted earlier, with a smattering of African beads and jewelry really reinforces my opinion that many of these so-called Berbers are just Europeans parading around as ancient indigenous Africans. This would be part of the reason why they would have practiced slavery as they did not identify with indigenous (meaning black) Africans. I look at these people similar to the way I would look at Afrikaaners. Their languages are not even really related to each other and really the only true historic berber language and script is Tifanagh, which is almost exclusively Tuareg, ie black African. On top of that, the original black presence in Moorish Morocco came from the OUTSIDE Morocco in Mauretania and Senegal and the Sahara,where there ARE no white Berbers. Yet the Almohades and Almoravids are labelled as Berbers, when in reality they are only LOOSELY linked to the modern Berber clans, as they represent populations from outside the modern day boundaries of white berber groups. But at the same time, these outside groups represent the ancestral connection between North Africa and the rest of Africa where black AFricans have always been trading and traveling along and between NOrth Africa and the interior as well as the Sahara. Therefore, by accepting the concept of Berber, you are only really accepting an identity that is partly based on foreign descent, partly based on foreign notions of identity and fully distorted in relation to the rest of Africa. Therefore, modern white Berbers do not represent the ancestral populations of North Africa and they do not really represent the indigenous ancient stock of North Africa. Another difference that betrays this is the fact that Berbers are patrilineal while most other Africans, including Tuaregs are matrilineal. This too links white Berbers to Europe and also allows for more Arab gene flow since Arab males have often been responsible for integrating themselves among indigenous populations and arabizing them. Tribal structure in Morocco: http://museums.ncl.ac.uk/roman_africa/SEGMENT.HTM Some old postcards from Tangiers: http://www.judnick.com/TaiwanToTartans.htm [/QB][/QUOTE]
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