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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by ausar: [qb] I don't know how relevent to the the discussion but on ancient Egyptian reliefs you find dark skinned Libyans[no relation to the modern nation] and later fair skinned ones. If any of these populations depicted on ancient Egyptian reliefs are related to modern populations is debatable. Libyans were people that lived east of the Nile Valley depicted in ancient Egyptian iconography. [/qb][/QUOTE]In general, from all of the research I have been doing, the issue of white identity is complex. Yes the ancient Libyans were sometimes depicted as white. However there were also ancient Libyans who were depicted as blacks. Also, modern LIbya and ancient LIbya are not the same and do not share the same boundaries. The issue of the ethnicity is clouded by racial, ethnic and religious terms as well as predjudices. Many of the modern white Berbers are really arabized clans of Berbers who have intermarried with Arab nomads. Many of the Berber clans who are still black are on the most extreme fringes of Morocco, physically and politically and this is what has allowed them to maintain their distinct identity. There is no point in denying that many groups have established an identiy in Northern Africa. However, the white berbers of Morocco and Algeria are only a small part of the total area of North Africa and do not represent all North Africans. THis is where I see the distortion of the facts. Some want to make the areas of Morocco and Northern Algeria into all of North Africa and they arent. LIkewise people want to play down the European ancestry of these white Berbers, to try and make them as African as the original black Africans from NOrth Africa, but they arent. They have more European ancestry than other Africans and this is why they look the way they do. It is obvious based on geography and history that this is the case, but many want to deny this for various reasons, including trying to claim all NOrth Africa as the exclusive domain for white Africans. This is no different that Afrikaaners trying to claim all South Africa as the exclusive domain of white Afrikaaners. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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