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[QUOTE]Originally posted by alTakruri: [QB] The core component of Haritin Imazighen are in all probability the most direct descendents of the historic central and north Saharans written of by Greco-Latin authors, i.e.,[list] [*]Leukaethiopes [*]Melanogaetuli [*]Nigritae [*]Western Ethiopians (Hesperii) [*]Pharusii [*]Icthyophagi Aethiopes [*]etc., [/list] These were peoples living approximately 250 miles (or more) south of the littoral. If truly the indigenees, they may have been neolithic "Berber" speakers (after leaving the proto-language's Gharb Darfur birthplace to traverse the Sahara before reaching the Maghreb). I offer the below in relevance to the indigenous dark Moroccans nearer our times topic. It's from a correspondance with an Amazigh activist: [QUOTE] The matter of the Harratin has always been subject to controversy. While they were seen for a long time as late comers to the area, some of the most recent findings are suggesting the opposite. The "Blackness" of the Haratin has never been in contention. Even in early history of Morocco, the fact that a deputy of the Egyptian General began to enlist them as soldiers of an all Black Army created a huge debate among the Moroccans, who did not consider them of the same "social category" as the Sudanese, and protest arose because they were "free human beings" and not of the "slave" category susceptible to be rounded up for this Corps of Black slave-soldiers. It created a great stir among "Berbers." [/QUOTE]This was a precision to something the Amazigh activist had earlier wrote on a guarded forum: [QUOTE] Imazighen (Berbers) ... are related by language to the Tuaregs of the Sahara and sub-Sahara [.] Even the Black Harratine people of the northern Sahara have recently yielded DNA which makes them closer to Berbers of North Africa than to other neighboouring Black groups. This parentage is also verifiable through language. [/QUOTE]And this is basically true. The Haratine are a social group of formerly subjugated peoples. Since they were not all of one homogeneous ethnicity, the freed slaves marrying among each other created a new ethnicity. The bulk of this new ethnic group, "the One Fifth-ers", were the indigenous inhabitants of the Saharan Oases. Another Amazigh activist chided me for leaving out the former "owners" as part of the mix, which is correct because there was sex between the male "owners" and the subordinated females as well as the subordinated males with the "owners'" wives. When I wrote to this same Amazigh activist that I felt there was an ongoing NorthAfricentrist attempt to remove blacks from Tamazgha history as either an ancient population absorbed into the stock of MESHWESH originating Imazighen or as a minority Imazighen subtype the reply was: [QUOTE] I have asked before what ever happened to the black population of the area. In the literature, they are said to have been pushed south, but I maintain that inter-marriage or inter-breeding did occur. Now if DNA studies show that the black and white population in the north are related, I don't see why this is a problem. ...DNA studies are the most scientific proof we have, if it was conducted in an objective fashion. But I would like to see if the Amazigh also showed any non-Berber Haratine DNA. [/QUOTE]So you see there is a subconscious hesitancy to unequivocally classify Haritin as truly Amazigh by Amazigh activist who themselves often enough have an Iberian, Italian, or French mommy. The Haritin are 100% African yet these hybrid Africans who think of themselves as truly Amazigh doubt the Haritin Amazighity underneath it all. An amazing example of double think! It's eight years since the correspondance and I wonder what that particular Amazigh activist has made of the extensive mtDNA & NRY reports showing North African males to be overwhelmingly of East African origins and North African females to have substantial origins in east, northern-central and west Africa, even though the majority do indeed have "Eurasian" antecedents. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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