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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Supercar: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: I dont know [b]why you dredged up that old thread[/b], but yes you were right in pointing out that other African cultures did indeed build in stone.[/QUOTE]Simple solution: re-read the postings again, and [i]learn[/i] why I 'dredged up that old thread'. [QUOTE]Doug M: It seems that my post was improperly worded and because of that we wasted a whole lot of time and space debating a side issue and not the true point I was trying to make.[/QUOTE]And yet, you use the same shaky "wording" here [i]again[/i]?! 'Once' maybe a mistake, but more than once, [i]well[/i]... [QUOTE]Doug M: So, I dont think it is necessary to argue what we both agree is [b]a long history of stone building in Africa.[/b][/QUOTE]I am certain that "I" agree with the highlighted piece. I am not so sure about you. [QUOTE]Doug M: The fact, IMO, still stands that outside the Nile Valley, [b]very few African civilizations built in stone[/b] or,...[/QUOTE]These "very few African civilization" who "built in stone" are a [i]subset[/i] of how many "African civilizations", and which go by what 'names'? How can you claim that [i]your[/i] 'facts' stand, when you have yet to demonstrate that they have any leg to stand on? [QUOTE]Doug M: if they did, left any sort of documentation of their every day lives and/or daily lives on the walls of their monuments, which makes it a bit harder to reconstruct such things from the remaining evidence. It does not say that no other African cultures built in stone, but just that most did not and those that did did not write an account of their daily lives on the wall.[/QUOTE]Well, writing 'proper' seems to have become more established in the Nile Valley prior to not only elsewhere in Africa, but also in a global sense. Writing however, is not the only means by which people documented aspects of the culture. Relics of building structures, pottery and fragments of artifacts [whatever their nature] and possibly of fossilized fauna and flora are factored into the equation. There is no 'unison' way of trail of cultural expression, and corresponding documentation. More to the point, speaking of 'art on the wall', is completely immaterial to the tradition of using stone in 'architecture' on the African continent, [i]outside[/i] of ancient Egypt. And to reiterate, even artistic reliefs depicting human activity, isn't unique to ancient Egypt on the African continent. You are trying to simply make 'substance' out of air. [QUOTE]Doug M: Yes, my statement in the original thread was wrong, as I said.[/QUOTE]Which doesn't stop you from repeating it. [QUOTE]Doug M: But it is not a red herring since I know what I was trying to point out and just correcting me on the one statement and continguing to correct me does not change it.[/QUOTE]You've got it twisted: You are wrong for stating that no other African culture save for that of AE built in stone, and that none used art reliefs to depict human activity, and it is a "red herring" to point to the idea that there were Africans who built structures from mud and other less durable material than stone. This is immaterial to the fact that ancient stone architecture have been uncovered in various parts of the continent, i.e. north, east, west and south. [QUOTE]Doug M: The issue now, as I said before, is one of study and research and how many aspects of African culture and history are undocumented. [b] I didnt know about the existence of the Nok culture prior to the discussion on that thread. I also didnt know about dar Tichitt prior to this thread[/b], as a result of my own searching.[/QUOTE]Which makes you look silly making the same old claims, [i]after[/i] you've learnt about such things. [/qb][/QUOTE]This is tired. I already said that the statement I made originally was wrong. Ok. I said it. Done deal case closed. Its over. My point was and still is that Egypt, in putting volumes of information on the walls about everyday life, culture and relgious beliefs IN SCULPTED MONUMENTAL STONE, was unlike most civilizations in Africa. The point was and still is that the fact that they built so many monuments using very large stone blocks and on such a large scale allowed the monuments to survive along with the carved reliefs and give us more insight on the nature of African civilizations at such an early date than would be otherwise possible. Egypt is an extension of other ancient African civilizations, however much of the evidence for the overall nature of these civilizations prior to ancient Egypt has been lost, leaving somewhat of a gap between the developments of the ancient Nile Valley and other parts of Africa. We know that there were direct antecedants to Egyptian civilization in the Sudan, but unfortunately much of the evidence is lost under lake Nasser. However, I believe that other parts of Africa and ancient Egypt were connected culturally and literally via trade and other commerce at a far earlier time that generally admitted by current scholarship. Ancient Egypt was just the end result of a long series of developments IN Africa that were expressed in the massive stone structures found along the Nile. Now I am sure you want to nit pick this to death and try and find any small flaw you can to sidetrack the discussion into something totally irrelevant. However, I made my point and I am done with this issue in this thread. However, if you again want to go into another thread about stone building civilizations in Africa or resurrect that same old one, feel free to do so and I will contribute, as it will give others insight into the traditions of stone building in ancient Africa that they may not have known about. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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