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[QUOTE]Originally posted by What Box (Willing Thinker): [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Supercar: [b]Alright then, it is plain and simple: Demonstrate to us how "all" of Europe is considered to be part of "West".[/b][/QUOTE]It's not, atleast I don't think it is. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M.: [b]The point being? Obviously they cannot be the originators of Western culture if it did not ORIGINATE in the West.[/b][/QUOTE]O I know that they aren't the originators of all of western culture. That's my argument for why they should go back past Greece. I was just [b]letting you know what I know[/b]. ;) [QUOTE]Doug M.: [b]And I am saying that for most of Europe's history they have NOT promoted neither FREEDOM or DEMOCRACY. It is one thing to say that the IDEA of democracy started in Greece, but totally another to say that the PRACTICE of democracy and the preservation of FREEDOM for ALL was a HALLMARK or CENTRAL TENET of Western Civilization. Sorry, but Western Europe has been anything BUT the epitome of FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY or HUMAN RIGHTS. America, for MOST of its history has been a democracy in NAME ONLY. THAT is the point I am getting at.[/b][/QUOTE][b]I[/b] was just saying the 'idea' started in Europe. I mis-understood you. For a second, it sounded as if you were trying to say that there were other democratic nations in the past which were uninfluenced by Europe. That's what my inquirey was over. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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