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Chiekh Anta Diop and J.A. Rogers have depicted the first picture as Tutmosis III. What proof do you have that it ain't Tutmosis III?
Wally Member # 2936
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What, indeed, is the point of this nitpicking? If you saw an image of Benjamin Franklin and the caption on the picture read "Thomas Jefferson", what in the h... would be the problem??? The image that I present on my website as that of Thutmoses III is valid, anyone with any knowledge would know that there are other images of this conquering king, but essentially, what the h... is the point of being absolutely accurate; there are remarkable similarites between all of the rulers of the glorious 18th dynasty! Point of fact is, they're all, like all of dynastic Egypt, 'Negroes'! (Or Blacks, if that is a more suitable term - to paraphrase Budge...)
Djehuti Member # 6698
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quote:Originally posted by Myra Wysinger: Djehuti, could you give me the link to that page so I can correct it. I'm not sure which page it is on. Thanks
^Spoken truth.. That site is legendary.. I've been visiting that site for a long time and it's actually the source (along with this site of course, now) of most of the information I get on Africa.. I concur, awesome site Myra!
Djehuti Member # 6698
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^Speaking of which, and I think this also applies to the Egyptian art thread, but for all those Eurocentrics, white supremacists, and others who deny the Africanity of Egypt; how can they retain such a denial with all of the artwork and portraiture we have???
It's amazing to me how people could say Egyptians were anything other than black Africans considering all of the depictions they left behind! Even the old Hamitic (black-skinned caucasoids) would make somewhat more sense then to say they were not black at all, or that they were 'white' or lightskinned.
Israel Member # 11221
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quote:Originally posted by Tyrannosaurus: Wally, on his website (http://www.geocities.com/wally_mo/thutmoses3.html) identifies this statue as one of Thutmose III:
In fact, that bust portrays Amenhotep III.
This is Thutmose III:
Still waiting for proof.............Again, Chiekh Anta Diop and J.A. Rogers both have mentioned that the first pharoah depicted above was Tutmosis III. Do you have proof concerning your assertion?
rasol Member # 4592
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2 cents:
The two statues are not the same person.
So it would be good to know who is who.
Myra Wysinger Member # 10126
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Djehuti and Please call me MIDOGBE. Thank you both.
Thank you everyone for your kind words about my website.
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Djehuti Member # 6698
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^Your welcome, Myra. Might I add you replace the picture with an actual close up of Rameses from his tomb paintings. I'm sure there are such pics you can use.
Myra Wysinger Member # 10126
posted Is it Amenhotep III?
2nd photo source: Hidden Treasures of Ancient Egypt, by Zahi Hawass (2004)
Plenty of good modern and ancient egyptians on display.
Also, part of the reason for the lack of Thutmosid era sculptures and paintings, at least on the web, is baffling. There are plenty at dier el ahbari. Also there were plenty in temples to the south of Egypt, which are now under lake nasser.
quote:Originally posted by Myra Wysinger: Is it Amenhotep III?
2nd photo source: Hidden Treasures of Ancient Egypt, by Zahi Hawass (2004)
Excellent question. The only time I have ever seen the pharoah on the left is in conjuction with the name Tutmosis III. I am not denying that the 2nd pharoah depicted at the top of the page isn't Tutmosis III, but I also know that I have seen the first pharoah at the top of the page(and the one on the left shown by Myra-same pic) as representative of Tutmosis III. So until Tyrannsarus can prove that the first pharoah isn't Tutmosis III, I will role with Cheikh Anta Diop. In his book, "African Origin of Civilivation", he has the pharoah at the top of this thread as Tutmosis III.
Please call me MIDOGBE Member # 9216
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I remember reading some old francophone book (forgot the name) presenting this pic as being that of an unindentified XVIIIth king being possibly Tuthmose III.
Perhaps it was the source of DIOP's label of it. But as Wally says, DIOP's point remains valid, since the purpose of publishing it was to show the Black African type of AE royalty.
Israel Member # 11221
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Excellent point PCMM.
alTakruri Member # 10195
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if you wanna win at eight ball you gotta call the shots when ya playin for money slop is as good as a scratch
Why retain an inaccurate identification when it's easy enough to correct and thus bolster the strength of the whole presentation?
Accepting little glitches leads to going offline. Isn't it best to be unshakeable down to the most finite detail if at all possible?
No hero worship. If Rogers and Diop and whoever else was wrong about who the bust was supposed to be (presumably based on the best sources of their time) then let's not glorify and repeat the mistake.
Just update your webpage, it's that simple.
Djehuti Member # 6698
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Now unless we have primary text or something from the Kememu that the statue above is Thutmose III, then I agree that it is likely a depiction of Amenhotep III. We have discussed before that while Egyptian portraits follow certain conventions, each personage had a portrait that was more or less consistent.
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