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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Marc Washington: [QB] Hello K. Scorpion. You wrote: "But as far as I'm aware...no huge arsenal of 'advanced' naval ships have ever been found in the region where Mali was located. But it's also a known fact that there needs to be more archeological work done in West Africa." [Marc writes] The Italians and Spanish were whites who entered Europe likely from the same stock and point-of-origination as the so-called Indo-European so from the Russian Steppes. And, they arrived in Europe very late and millenniums after the African populations dwelling in Europe. Those African populations seem to have generic names applied sort of randomly: Celtic, Moor, Halstaat, La Dene. In any case, coming from the land-locked Russian Steppes, there were no seas and no boating traditions for such nomads. Entering Europe from about 900 BC to 800 AD, the Western Spanish and Italians didn't have enough time to develop shipping and the ships they used were plank ships like the smaller ones found in rock art going back to 7000 BC in North Africa. I assume that what we call the Spanish Armada and navy was constructed by Africans and for centuries in use by them in Southern Europe before the Spanish became associated with them and turned the vessels from trade to war and conquest purposes. [b]QUESTION:[/b] Does anyone know how far back evidence (drawings, physical remains) for the construction of the ship types used in the Spanish Armada goes (I imagine large ocean-going seacraft of the size of the Armada ships would have preceded the Spanish Armada by centuries). If so, the figurine and physical evidence of Southern Europe produces enough evidence to indicate perdominantly African populations in the late BCs and early ADs and such boats would most logically be attributed to them given African plank boat traditions going back many millennium. If this correlation can be made, it sets the ground to be able to hypothesize what technology was available in Mali - assuming trade and commerce between Mali and the "Moors" over the centuries. They would lkely have the same type boats used by the "Spanish" Armada. [b]EGYPTIAN BOATS AND SHIPS IN THE BC PRESHADOW ARMADA PLANK SHIPS[/b] http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/timelines/topics/seagoingvessels.htm (large ships in Hatshepsut expedition to Punt) http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/shipsandboats.htm (see large first ship here) http://www.abc.se/~pa/bld/shiptype.htm (See triereme - clear forerunner of "Aramada" type) http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/timelines/topics/navigation.htm http://www.artsales.com/Ancient%20Ships/gEgyptianGalleons.htm http://www.livescience.com/history/060306_desert_ships.html (4000 year-old remains of Egyptian sea-going ships) . [/QB][/QUOTE]
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