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[QUOTE]Originally posted by King_Scorpion: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Obelisk_18: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by King_Scorpion: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Sundiata: [qb] ^His claims of Mande people reaching America in the 15th century aren't really that far-fetched, though presenting it as fact would indeed be misleading. A lot of this is laid out in Sertima's "They came before Columbus".. Some evidence may allude to the existence of African explorers reaching south and central America, but as Scorpion pointed out, there is no physical evidence in the form of recovered boats (in this case there was supposed to be 2,000 of them) or African artifacts to suggest that Abubakari's voyage was a success. Not in any way ruling out that it wasn't however, since some of the evidence cannot be reasonably overlooked as is sometimes done by suspicious skeptics.. I'd say an African presence (pre-columbus) in the Americas is likely, but more investigative research is of course welcome since the evidence currently presented is circumstantial, could-be coincidental, and some could just be disinformation or misinterpretation. Basically it is too easy for scholars to brush off.. What is testified above anything else is that Abubakari actually did attempt the mission, and this is preserved in the writings of the 15th century Arabic scholar Al-Umari and in the oral tradition of the griots of Guinea and Mali.. [/qb][/QUOTE]I agree, I don't believe the Olmec theory. But look at the Abubakari thing this way...Columbus did it in 1492 after several attempts and with the help of West African navigators who supposedly knew the trans-atlantic sea route that led to South America. I think it's totally POSSIBLE it could have happened, but until evidence is uncovered of Malians using some sort of more advanced naval ships than simple reed boats...the argument is hurt. Now, it's also totally possible the ships they MAY have used were imports from somewhere else (maybe Spain?). But again, more research is needed before anything certain can be said. [/qb][/QUOTE]um a white guy like 30 years ago sailed from Morocco to Barbados using a simple "reed boat"... so Abubakari going using his kingdom's native reed boats would have been just fine for the journey :D P.S. And where does it say Columbus went to Africa and learned about sailing from them? [/qb][/QUOTE]Yea, but how likely is it that reed boats would have been used for long distance travel like that? The white guy was just showing that it wasn't impossible like a lot of scholars were saying. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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