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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] I would say arose as the Egyptians were aware of "Libyans" prior to the Meswhesh, whence they were termed Tehenu or Temehu. The first Libyans found depicted in Egypt and identified as such did not look much different than the Egyptians. Therefore, the AE were aware of the people to the West long before the Meshwesh arrived. As for the term 'm'-'z/c'-'gh/r', again, seeing as the people who originally spoke Berber originated to the South and migrated to the West of Egypt, there must have been a word that they used to identify themselves as well as distinguish themselves from others long before the appearance of a "Meshwesh" or any other coastal population who adopted the Berber language. I understand it is evidence of the derivation of the modern term, however, since most of our written records from this period were done by NON Berbers, ie Egyptians, then you can't necessarily link the two terms as implying a Berber identity when you do not know how those Berbers who were outside the realm of Egypt's closest neighbors identified themselves. Case in point, what did the Libyans of the 23rd dynasty refer to themselves as and were they related to the Berber speakers of the time? What about the inscriptions from the Oases of Egypt, do they provide evidence of the origin of the term "amazigh"? I understand your point, but I don't agree that the ethnic identity for Berber speaking populations centered around coastal populations, at least not 4000 years ago. Modern "Berber" identity is more a result of the history within the last 3000 years and is centered around the interaction between Berber speaking populations in the coastal areas with non Africans, including the introduction of the written language from Phoenicians. This and does not necessarily match how Berber speaking groups identified themselves 4000 years ago across the vast sweep of the Sahara into coastal North Africa. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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