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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Evergreen: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by alTakruri: [qb] Reminder: the posts here in this thread have to do with reasoning out the why and wherefore of white or near white complexioned indigenous Africans in the Sahara and supra-Sahara in ancient and pre- historic times. [/qb][/QUOTE]Evergreen Writes: Well framed question. To further frame this discussion we should recognize the ecological landscape of the saharan and supra-saharan regions during the late pleistocene. During the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) human populations were restricted to the Nile and the coastal regions of North Africa. Carrying capacity would indicate limited population density in coastal regions and high population density in the Nile during this time frame. Genetic evidence indicates that few if any of the genetic lineages present on the coast during the LGM are present in modern African populations. This is consistent with low population density in coastal North Africa and a genetic takeover of coastal North Africa by Nilotic Africans during the early Holocene. The y-chromosome marker E-M78 is the defining northern Nilotic marker and emerged in southern Egypt/Northern Sudan from the "sub-Saharan" marker E-M35 sometime just prior to the LGM. The y-chromosome marker E-M81 is the defining NW African and Berber marker. This lineage emerged from marker E-M35 sometime during the mid-to-late Holocene (possibly the Bronze Age). The emergence of E-M81 directly from ancestral E-M35 would imply that the "Berbers" descend from a group that migrated from deep inner Africa relatively recently. If the "super-tropical" Naqada Egyptians descend from an ancestral group that was present in north Africa prior to the LGM why wouldn't the more recently migrated original "Berbers" be tropically adapted? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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