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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE][qb] I believe that some Libyans were the ancestors of many Canaanites of the southern Hejaz and the later SyroPalestine. I believe that their remnant were the Hejaz groups known in Assyrian writings as Mehluhha or Musri or Masri and that the latter reentered Egypt during the "Hyksos" period (which was not called Misra until after the tribe settled there).[/qb][/QUOTE]Then wouldn't it be more proper to say that these were 'Egyptians' in the sense that these Africans who entered the Levant did so from Egypt? [QUOTE][qb]I believe that the Fulani or Fellata are remnants of the "Libyans" that never left Africa due to both Saharan and Egyptian representations of the Libyans which I have not been able to locate and the fact that even later representations show people wearing identical designs on their attire. Nevertheless, the Fulani/Fellata have long been in the area of Egypt, Libya and Sudan and connected with the Arabian Djerafin(Terapin?)tribes up until the 20th century. Fulani are undoubtedly the Barzu Fulitani of Mauretania Caesarea (evidently coastal Algeria) and their name may have some connection with the name of the Israelite Bnei or Birzeit Yaphlet of the Hebrew writings Chronicles 7:32 and 33. They may also be the same as the Pelethi mentioned with the Cherethi. The personnage of Yaphlet is said to be the son of a "Heber" or "Beriah" through Asher identified by Kamal Salibi as the Dthu Shari (Dusariyah) of the southern Hijaz and Nejran region.[/qb][/QUOTE]There is evidence of Fulani or rather Fulani ancestors being farther north and modern day Fulani are found throughout the sahel region of the continent from Niger to Sudan, but what makes you think they comprised the Libyans or even entered Arabia? [QUOTE][qb]As mentioned before I am in agreement with Salibi's findings of the southern origin of the Canaanite/Israelite peoples. keeping in mind the writings of the Syrians of the 14th century that state it was rare to see a fair- skinned Arab in the Hejaz I also believe there is a strong possibility remnants of the names of ancient Libyans or Lehabim and Mizraim are probably found in the early and modern Arabian names of Lehaba, Muzar, Masruh, and Djehene (Tehenu?) and Tamah. Please note most of the ancient Libyan names bear strong resemblance to those of ancient and modern Arabian names. Until the 20th century the Lahabah (or Lahaybi) are mentioned as a branch of the Masruh in northern Hejaz, next to the Khazarah (Khazraj)and Gassan or Kassan. They are mentioned by Richard Burton in his travels. The Khazarah (Jazar of Josephus) and Kassan (Kushana and Jokshan of the Bible)however claim to have moved north after the breaking of the dam at Marib. It is by tradition asserted that they fought against the rulers of the Hejazi Misrah otherwise known the Mehluchha (Amalekites) named Samud (Khamudi?) who were also in control of Syria and the Nile valley. [/qb][/QUOTE]So what of the Biblical claims connecting Arabians with 'Cush'? [QUOTE][qb]I don't identify Khethim with Cadmus. The name Cadmusii or Cydamae in the Roman times, for example is used for the Berbers who setttled in Ghadames (ancient Cidamus) in Libya. The House of Cadmus mentioned by Pausanius, of course refers to Phoenicians who settled in the Mycenaean region of Thebes though. The name Kedem or Kadmon is of course listed with one of the tribes of Amalek and Midian. I believe Kedem were Amalekites like the descendants of Kethim whose name is probably related to the people called Cheth and Chitim, but Cathim and Kedem are two different words. They are both one of many Amalekite or "Phoenician" tribes that settled the Aegean and North Africa. Kedem is also called Kedmeh one of the "tribes of Ishmael". "Whenever Israel planted crops, Midian, Amalek, and Kedem came and damaged the crops" Judges 6:3 I have tried to point out in my page on the Hyksos that the peoples known as Hagar(Hajur) and Midian must have been Azdites and may have entered the Nile and Libya as suggested by Josephus after the dam broke in Marib Yemen the Meriba of Exodus. In North Africa many of the Berber names a pre-Islamic movement of reflect the movement of peoples from the southern Hejaz and Yemen who had moved into Syria and the north of Arabia. Among these peoples were the Naphish (or Nafusa, Nafzawa), the Jetur or Ithran (known as Bothran in later Arabic tradition) and hence the Botr ibn Berr of the Berbers. "Jetur, Naphish and Kedemah. These were the sons of Ishmael" 1 Chronicles 1:31 The Cadymae (or Kedem), the Hadad or Chedad and Hadid, the Biblical Hagar, Hajur or Hajar)and Massa also written as Mash'ai, Mashek or Mashikha of the Azdites (Marib) are obviously connected to the names Ihaggaren or Hoggar, and Mashikh, Amazigh Imoshagh of indigenous Berbers. I can not overemphasize Kamal Salibi's book and the fact that his findings of the 100s of names for the Canaanites and Israelites in the Yemen and Asir Tehama region of southwest Arabia explain virtually all of the traditions of Africans of an Arabian origin or connection. I have also said before that almost all of the names of the Berbers are those of ancient Yemenites and the tribes of Hagar who in Biblical tradition is called Keturah. These groups later settled in the North and in the Trogodyte regions of Africa as Josephus said. It is also not me that says the Naphish gave their name to the Nafusa and Nafzawa. That is the tradition of that Berber people. Because Berbers with these names are dark in color people don't want to recognize who they truly are. "The Oases of Nafzawa and Wed Suef and Wed Regh and other Berbers of the Sus as “of very dark complexion” Guiseppi Sergi The Mediterranean Race: The Study of the origin of European peoples The Walter Scott Publishing Company 1901. [IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/33ug8k7.jpg[/IMG] Girl of Jebel Nafusa Of course, the tribe of Kenana is located in Hejaz as well as Jericho today. People write as if Canaanites and Israelites groups mentioned in the Bible and their names are lost and disappeared, but in reality most of these peoples and their names are found among dark-skinned people in Arabia today and among the Berbers in N. Africa. Thus, I would have to say that the later groups of Libyo-Berbers i.e., Nafusa and other Zenata, Sanhaja and Masmuda - must have come in part from the Levant and Yemen as they say they did. Some of them are those figured in the Ramses paintings. [/qb][/QUOTE]So you say that not only did Africans migrate into the Levant and Arabia in ancient times, but that they migrated back into Africa? The former is pretty much verified by linguistics, archaeology, and bio-anthropology but what of the latter? Not that I doubt you completely, but if Levantine or Arabian groups migrated into Africa how did they by-pass the Egypto-Sudan area unless there is evidence of them there? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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