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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Miguel Antunes: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Wally: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] ^ *All* racial or ethnic labels are social in nature and so therefore objective. That said, you are fussing over nothing. :rolleyes: [/qb][/QUOTE]I agree with you, (except for your typo, I think you meant to say "so therefore subjective.") :) But I totally agree, and this delusional individual, who has bought into the Western Eurocentric hype is merely avoiding the issue as presented; he wants to continue to blabber. He's/She's merely cutting and running by continuing to dismiss the ancient and modern Rmnk's ideology. And as long as I've been posting this idea of using the original source, the Rmnku themselves, I have yet to see a cogent response to the Rmnku. Again, I agree with you, it's fussing (blabbering) over nothing... And to the delusional, this remains to be addressed: [QUOTE] Since there is some confusion about the use of colors in the Mdu Ntr, we will use its latest stage, the Coptic Egyptian language, to illustrate some key points; and also because there's a propensity for those, especially the newcomers to this forum, to go into catatonic shock when certain fallacies which they bring with them here are soon blown to smithereens! [b]the basics[/b] nanou-f - he is good nanou-s - she is good nanou prome - the man is good prome et.nanou-f -the man who is good and now, The Killers! Kame-f - he is Black Twrsh-f - he is Red Mrosh-f - he is pale (yellow) Kame-s - she is Black Twrsh-s - she is Red Mrosh-s - she is pale Kame prome - the man is Black Twrsh prome - the man is Red Mrosh prome - the man is pale Prome et-Kame-f - the man who is Black (the Black man) Prome et-Twrsh-f - the man who is Red (the Red man) Prome et-Mrosh-f - the man who is pale (the pale man) (note: Prome is a combination of P = 'the' and rome = 'man' ... You will note that "Kame (Kmt)" is referring to PEOPLE, there is no reference to the protesters favorite delusion of 'soil'... [/QUOTE][/qb][/QUOTE]Western Eurocentric hype? What's that supposed to mean? Does Western Eurocentric hype advocates that AE looked like modern Upper Egyptians, Nubians, Beja, Sudanese, Horners, etc? And that such types are natives of the area? And quite dark skinned, certanly nothing European or Asian and everything African about them? If so then yes, you are correct. You seem to miss my point. But I'll explain again. If AE, who were not literally black for the most part, based on the representations they left of themselves, why would they name themselves black? Now I have heard that black was divine colour, many gods and pharaous (which were gods too I suppose) are painted litereally black. This represents their divinity, or so I have been told. This does not answer why black was a divine colour though. About this, I have heard that AE had their origins in the south, where some people can get pratically black skinned, such as the Dinka and Shiluk people, and it was an homage to these ancestors? bringers of culture/civilization? Something along these lines. There's also the black (fertile) soil answer from some. Is this black soil also literally black then? Of course, there's always the hypothesis that the depictions AE left of themselves were actually much darker and faded with time, approaching the black colour. Or even that kmt or whatever doesn't really mean black (in the modern colour sense) sense, but that's the best word translators could oome up with. We are dealing with a very ancient language here, one must not forget this. Now, what do you say Willy? And don't tell me that AE called themselves Black in acordance to the modern social definition of black (which isn't uniforme anyway). That they would be called black in the modern US I have no doubt off, but that they used the word with the same meaning? I am not convinced at all. If anyone can be bothered they are free to do so. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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