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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Miguel Antunes: [QB] First, quote my posts fully, you are manipulating what I said. I said the modern definition of Black African. Egyptians called themselves Blacks yes, not Black Africans. Right there, something's wrong. a) AE definition of Black? I don't know it. I have asked many times in this forum but no one ever answered to my satisfaction. Usually it's "because they were black". Then faced with the fact that they're skin wasn't literally black I wonder how they came up with the name. You rasol, if I am not mistaken said that it was in comparison with the red asiatics, since the red black dichotomy is well present in AE culture. If so, what did they call themselves before meeting the Red Asiatics? I do think its fair to say that a people which existed 5000 of years ago isn't using a modern defition of black african, whatever it might be. Do modern black africans still call Asiatics "red"? Such dychotomi seems to me absent in the modern world, therefore their concept would be different from the modern one? b)Actually, Wally's definition of Black African is what matters here. Or yours. Since to me, they don't exist as you know. c)That they are in conflict remains to be seen, I never claimed they were, only that there's such possibility. I said.."might". "I have already provided all three and demonstrated how they concord." You gave your definition of black african. I presume the modern one. You said: "Typically dark skinned natives of Africa" Did the AE meant this when they used the word black? Africa wasn't a concept for them even... Typically..it's also a complicated word. (And again, how dark? Why not darker? Why not lighter? What's the validity and interest of such label? It's at best a gross generalization, and gives little info about the AE (or any other African) phenotype, but this is another matter) Did AE also called Kushites, Meroites, the Rebu, the Tehenu, Black as well? All of those are black africans for you I presume. Were they black for the AE? Where they Kemetians? Or am I wrong when I imply that Kemetians means Black? Where there different kinds of Blacks for AE? Like AE-Black and non-AE black? What about other Africans AE knew about? What about those they didn't know about? If an AE were tranported to our time, what peoples would he label black? These are honest questions I assure you, just trying to understand more how AE viewed the world and themselves. Yes true, my "race doesn't exist" agenda crept up unfortunately. Again, that they were native africans and would be called "black", in other words considered socially black in many parts of the modern world is not being disputed at all! Nor that they called themselves Black! My posts might communicate lack of intelligence. Yours on the other hand communicate lack of manners and civility, with all those ad-hominem. Don't know which is worse really. My posts do communicate lack of knownledge, that much is certain and obvious. Hence all the questions. I'm not forcing anyone to answer, but if someone has the answer, I would appreciate it. I also would appreciate if people weren't to judge me based on some posts in the internet, and imediatly label me as Eurocentrice, racist and what not, when it isn't so at all.. But then, I guess certain things can't be avoided in the internet.. Yes including annoying guys with annoying questions ,lol. Wikipedia can only go so far, lol.. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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