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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by KemsonReloaded: [qb] There is no such thing as "Afriasian". It doesn't exist. The highlighted Greenberg based classification was based, as corrected by Dr. Theophile Obenga, is actually "Negro-Egyptian". [/qb][/QUOTE]You are right. This point was recently proven in another ES Thread. [QUOTE]Originally posted by COTONOU_BY_NIGHT: [qb] Djehuti: According to late Beja specialist Werner Vycichl, Beja has three ways of expressing plural, reduplication (not found often), last vowel shortening & suffixation of -a. The two former, although not based on the same exact pattern of Semitic, are clearly non-concatenative, hence dissimilar to Old Egyptian suffixation. Chapter VI, pp. 88-89 [CODE] Some examples of Berber "broken" plural formation: aghiul "ass"; pl ighial asgass "year"; pl.isgassen ir'allen "arm"; pl. ir'allen illi "daughter"; issi "pl." Again Berber is totally different from Egyptian: s3t "daughter"; pl. s3wt ib "heart"; pl. ibw [/CODE]How can one claim that Hamito-Semitic does actually exist relying on this? The dual is frequently used in Akkadian, Ugaritic & Arabic, which may suggest that it is only secondary in other Semitic languages. [CODE] Akkadian: -aan (dative), een (genitive), iin (accusative); Ugaritic: -aami (nominative), eemi (genitive/accusative) Hebraic: -ayn Syriac: -En~-een (only found as a retention in two words) Ethiopian: -ee (only found in a few cases) Arabic: -aani(nominative) -ayni (genitive/accusative)[/CODE]While Berber doesn't make grammatical use of dual, it seems to agree with Semitic in occurrences of natural pairs (suffixes -in,-en, -an for dual are also found in Semitic) : [CODE] adar "foot" pl.idaren tit "eye" pl. allen aDalis "lip" pl. dilsan (Ghadamès) aDaluy "lip" pl. iDlay "lips" (Ahaggar)[/CODE]Semitic languages originally marked three principal cases: [CODE] -nominative (sing. -u, pl.-uu, dual -aa), -genitive/accusative (sing. -i(genitive), -a(accusative) pl.-i, dual -ay), Examples: Classical Arabic "king" -Malik-u -Malik-i -Malik-a Akkadian "good" -Taab-u -Taab-i -Taab-a There is however a class of words whose both genitive and accusative are formed with the same suffix -a.[/CODE]In Egyptian, Pharaonic and Coptic there are absolutely no traces of casual marking. Why would the most archaic synchrony of Egyptian have lost any trace of Proto-Hamito-Semitic as Akkadian (a language contemporary to Pharaonic Egyptian) did? The truth is that Hamito-Semitic does not exist. This is a myth with no morphological basis. A myth that must be destroyed by the real science. MTC. [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=005645;p=3]web page[/URL] [/qb][/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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