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Message: HTML is not enabled. UBB Code™ is enabled.	[QUOTE]Originally posted by e3b1c1: [QB] first thanks for answering me and uderstand i am new member and not some one else i respect that i read your posts most of them are very smart i belong to m34 which is a subclade of e3b its prevelent in the horn but also exist in oman and antolia where it is correletad with latitude i agrre that to say e1b1b as somalian is very stupit since m34 and m81 are not somalian m78 is i have a question if m81 is west african so why its rare in african american ? regards e3b1c1 [/QB][/QUOTE]

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King_Scorpion Member # 4818	posted There are a number of West African ethnic groups who's oral history claims a far Northern or Eastern origin. These include, but aren't limited to, the Akan (which include the Asante or Ashanti tribe), Dogon, and Yoruba peoples. My question is, has E3b ever been located amoung any populations in West Africa? I'm not that well versed on genetics as some others on this forum are. Couldn't that be used to verify these origins? Also, many African Americans may actually be descended from these ethnic groups like the Akan or Yoruba. Is it possible that a small percentage of Black Americans also carry E3b? I know though that E3a is the "common lineage" that Black Americans share though.
astenb Member # 14524	posted E3b is actually not too uncommon in what we label as "West Africa" I would not doubt that ALL West African countries would have some people that sample as E3b. Even Senegal, Known to have the highest frequency of E3a still has carriers of E3b*/M78 Etc. E3b is found ALL in the Sahara and the Sahel. There is no absolute boundary in Africa that separates genes although the BULK of the migration seems to follow this pattern on the map: I think there is a misconception due to a lack of sampling. As new studies come out It further reveals things. The map below shows E3b ALL in Southern Africa. There is no reason why it would not be in West Africa when we know there were migrations that way. A Sudanese study last year found populations in Western Sudan that had the highest levels of E3b sampled to date. I was surprised by the findings.......but should I have been.....Not really. They have it, its just not on paper yet.
The Explorer Member # 14778	posted quote: Originally posted by astenb: E3b is actually not too uncommon in what we label as "West Africa" It is not at all uncommon, if for example, you consider coastal "Northwestern Africa" as part of west Africa. All too often west Africa is the most partitioned region of any part of the continent, wherein coastal regions cease to be part of that subregion, while its eastern counterparts remain part of "East Africa". Matter of fact, a subclade like say, E-M81, is predominantly west African in distribution.
astenb Member # 14524	posted ^ Absolutely true. I quoted "West Africa" in a stereotypical sense. But yeah, chopping the Continent directly in half really shows how useless it is to create an artificially boundary that blocks genes.
King_Scorpion Member # 4818	posted If it's not uncommon then wouldn't that prove that there was a direct West African migration from East Africa?
Deep & Unbeknownst The Thought Member # 10819	posted lol, where do you think E3a and E3c's common ancestor comes from?
King_Scorpion Member # 4818	posted quote: Originally posted by Deep & Unbeknownst The Thought: lol, where do you think E3a and E3c's common ancestor comes from? I know but still so many historians and egyptologists portray this as being borderline impossible when the genetics say otherwise .
e3b1c1 Member # 16338	posted explorer e-m81 is not west african in his distrebution it is northwest african hope you understand the diffrence e3a is west african thats why it was found among the african american and e-m81 wasnt found there as far as i know becuase the slaves where from western africa where e3a is common ad not north west africa like amorroco and algeria where e-m81 is common so dont try to make e-m81 west african or m78 or m34 as slaves like the western african
The Explorer Member # 14778	posted quote: Originally posted by e3b1c1: explorer e-m81 is not west african in his distrebution it is northwest african hope you understand I hope you understand the contradiction in your post above, and allow yourself to be educated accordingly. quote: so dont try to make e-m81 west african I "don't try" to make it; it is predominantly west African in distribution. quote: or m78 or m34 as slaves like the western african Hate to burst your tiny little fairy land bubble, but Y DNA markers are not slaves.
e3b1c1 Member # 16338	posted first thanks for answering me and uderstand i am new member and not some one else i respect that i read your posts most of them are very smart i belong to m34 which is a subclade of e3b its prevelent in the horn but also exist in oman and antolia where it is correletad with latitude i agrre that to say e1b1b as somalian is very stupit since m34 and m81 are not somalian m78 is i have a question if m81 is west african so why its rare in african american ? regards e3b1c1
Superfly[Formerly The Bass] Member # 10328	posted INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF ANTHROPOLOGY Vol. 17 - n, 1(1-5) - 2002 Haplotypes of the Y Chromosome in Some Populations of West Africa Haplotypes V and XI correspond to E3b, so yes, E3b isn't uncommon in West Africa
The Explorer Member # 14778	posted quote: Originally posted by e3b1c1: i have a question if m81 is west african so why its rare in african american ? regards e3b1c1 Because in the populations from which they came, E1b1a (E3a) markers for example, predominated relative to E-M81. This coupled with genetic drift, could well have further enhanced E3a amongst Black Americans. So, it is not surprising that E3a show up in high frequencies, when DNA samplings of Black Americans are taken. This does not mean that E-M81 bearers could not have been amongst those taken captive to the Americas [DNA samplings have not covered all Black Americans]. Now, I have a question for you: If E-M81 is not predominantly west African in distribution, an uncontestable fact that you seem to be so troubled by, then demonstrate that is predominantly East African in distribution than west African. The burden lies on your end.
Djehuti Member # 6698	posted Another good thread tainted by 'racialist' thinking-- in this case, using haplotypes as 'race' and then making a ridiculous attempt to segregate such lineages. Newsflash: Northwest Africa is still part of West Africa as much as Northeast Africa (Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia) is part of East Africa. If you're using the old 'Sahara' divide into 'North' and 'sub-Sahara', it doesn't work. The Sahara has never been a complete barrier to populations as shown in the charts above. There was no segregation between your 'northwest' and those in the Sahelian or Guinea forest areas, no more than the Saharan Sudan to the Ugandan forests.
e3b1c1 Member # 16338	posted i cant demonstrate it but you need to be correct in the words m81 is north west african look at the words north west not only west you didnt explain why m81 wasnt found in africans americans which trace there origin to west africa coast and not north west africa llike morroco and algeria where m81 is common but it isnt eastern african in his distrebution like m78 and my clade m34 regards e3b1c1
The Explorer Member # 14778	posted quote: Originally posted by e3b1c1: i cant demonstrate it Then I rest my "no-brainer" case, which was that E-M81 is predominantly west African in distribution. quote: but you need to be correct in the words m81 is north west african "west African" is the correct term. People are not going to stop correctly ascribing it as such, simply because it offends you. quote: look at the words north west not only west you Not that it even matters, but for the sake of amusement, where does your north start and end? quote: didnt explain why m81 wasnt found in africans americans It would be more accurate, if you fessed up and said you didn't understand the explanation already given to you. quote: it isnt eastern african in his distrebution like m78 and my clade m34 Indeed. As much as it pains you, even you have the sense to realize that if its not predominantly east African, south African or even central African in distribution, then surely it brings us back to where we started; it must be predominantly west African in distribution.
e3b1c1 Member # 16338	posted yes it pain for me m81 exist also in iberia and in it arrived ther even before the moors so as m81 is related to m34 and m78 it hurts to think of them as western african when i think on m81 i think of antonio banderas not on edi murphey do we agree they look diffrent regards e3b1c1
The Explorer Member # 14778	posted quote: Originally posted by e3b1c1: yes it pain for me m81 exist also in iberia and in it arrived ther even before the moors so as m81 ...and you know this because...? quote: is related to m34 and m78 it hurts to think of them as western african I know it pains you, but bro, you must try as hard as it may be, to get over it. quote: when i think on m81 i think of antonio banderas not on edi murphey do we agree they look diffrent regards e3b1c1 No doubt, nobody can confuse Mr. Banderas with Mr. Murphy. Only an idiot would allow that to happen. The question is; what bearing does it have on the facts you were just schooled on?
e3b1c1 Member # 16338	posted so how do described my clade m34 ? i hope you dont think it is also west african ? because it ismainly eastern african and also exists in yeman 8% and oman 12% and in antolia regards e3b1c1
The Explorer Member # 14778	posted quote: Originally posted by e3b1c1: so how do described my clade m34 ? It is E-M34, a subclade of E-M35; what more else does it have to be described as? quote: i hope you dont think it is also west african ? Your hope is irrational; it has no basis.
e3b1c1 Member # 16338	posted whats your haplogroup mr explorere ? are you r1b guy or e3a ? tell me i am intristed ? if you think e-m34 than prove to me for now it was found in the horn and arabia antolia and even in sicly so give me a break man are you serious e3b1c1
The Explorer Member # 14778	posted Never tested myself for DNA sampling; so, I wouldn't know. Not that it matters, as I am confidently African, and well acquainted with my ancestors. What more does anyone need.
e3b1c1 Member # 16338	posted how do you are confidently abou being an african? i am sorry if i conected certin haplogroups to slavery wasnt smart move by me regards e3b1c1
The Explorer Member # 14778	posted quote: Originally posted by e3b1c1: how do you are confidently abou being an african? Because that is where I was born; where all my ancestry were born. Need I say any more?
e3b1c1 Member # 16338	posted where did you born benin guinea tell me its nice to talke with people from around the world there is always a chance you could be descendents from colonial soldier who belong to r1b regards e3b1c1 if you are e3a than we are related at some point in history
The Explorer Member # 14778	posted quote: Originally posted by e3b1c1: there is always a chance you could be descendents from colonial soldier who belong to r1b . Now, that's a funny one.
e3b1c1 Member # 16338	posted why not did you forger r1b 25% in african american every thing is posible e3b1c1
The Explorer Member # 14778	posted Did you forget that African Americans live side by side with people of European descent? And did you forget that Africa is not America?
e3b1c1 Member # 16338	posted no i didnt tell me where exactlyin africa you are been born if i was you i would have done dna test to know maybe you belong to hapologrop b which is mainly on pygmy or haplogroup A and not to haplogroup e ? regards e3b1c1
The Explorer Member # 14778	posted Let's just say as African as "African" can ever be, and trust me, when that is the case, no DNA testing is warranted for verification.
e3b1c1 Member # 16338	posted dont forget that no matter how african haplogroup e is it is related to haplogroupo d which is found in japanese tibetean and andeman islands mainly mongolid in apperance e3b1c1
The Explorer Member # 14778	posted Bro, if anybody needs to not forget anything here, it ought to be you...on those lessons of the day that you were just given. Let's focus on what "you" can remember for future reference.
Freehand Member # 10819	posted quote: Originally posted by e3b1c1: how do you are confidently abou being an african? i am sorry if i conected certin haplogroups to slavery wasnt smart move by me regards e3b1c1 It's not wrong to make inferences on historical events .... based on enough evidence. There are some cases where E3a and maybe other genes seem to have made much more ancient arrivals outside of Africa and outside of what assholes regard as the 'slave and negro reservation' [NorthWestern and Central Western Africa] no matter how early their genetic legacy could have gotten there - even if it possibly coincides with ancient African introduction of lithic technologies there or African colonization it only means the hunter-gatherers must have had esp or some shyt and sensed to go through the Sahara all the way to circum-equatorial Africa to the "negro-reservation" to get slaves. Despite the fact that it's West Africa-originated genes in question that were found elsewhere and not the reverse. Btw R1* is a ver ancient lineage NOT found in Europe so I doubt it'd mean European colonial soldier influence. Perhaps a downstream lineage though.
Ausaru Member # 16446	posted So e3b1c1 so are u from West Africa or what
osirion Member # 7644	posted West African normally mean Sub-Saharan West African. Its all about politics. E3b in West Africa is a question about E3b amongst Sub-Saharan Africans. This is what this thread is about. Its a silly question since of course there would be E3b amongst these Sub-Saharan African to some degree. But I think real question is wether or not their are tribes in West Africa that a significantly E3b that would be indicative of a recent migration from NE Africa. And that IS THE REAL QUESTION rather than the posturing many have given on the politically loaded term West Africa. So - target groups of interest are the previously know Hamitic groups: Tutsi, Fulani, Tuareg, Hausa, Doogan Are any of the above E3b and therefore connected with East African populations of the Nile? That is a very good question and I haven't discovered any evidence suggest they are. I think the best place to look is really for E3a in Nuba.
Djehuti Member # 6698	posted ^ Indeed, and by politics we mean semantic and polemic B.S. East is east and West is west. It's down right absurd to seperate 'northwest' Africa from the rest of western Africa, just as much as trying to seperate northeast Africa from the rest of eastern Africa. Yet this is what idiots like E3bc try to do. But then what do you expect from morons who also try to associate haplotgroups with "slaves"??