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Nice pics,but who is the question directed to,btw I like everday people no matter where they are from.Because i-am one
ausar Member # 1797
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Nobody in particular. Just had to put a headline that would grad people's attention.
KING Member # 9422
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Ausar
I remember these pics back in the glory days of Egyptsearch.
They bring back fond memories before the Establishment started sending agents to disrupt and distort Egyptsearch. Thats why I say we have to figh back and not run from the forum because of the Supremist (Black or White)
You know, I once had an Ethiopian bird that looked sorta like that, but she left me because she believed I had commitment problems. Silly girl.
Red,White, and Blue + Christian Member # 10893
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Ausar,
I haven't "spoken"/written to you in a long time.
As a New Yorker, I have encountered many Egyptians face to face. I just met an Egyptian guy earlier this week. His skin was slightly lighter than mine, yet his hair was wavy to straight.
Many Egyptians remind me of lighter skinned African Americans and Dominicans/Puerto Ricans.
There is a neighborhood in Queens which is now called Little Egypt - Astoria. It was mostly Greek and Italian. This is where I used to practice speaking Greek. However, it's been a while since I've been to Astoria.
Our host for the evening was Magdi Ahmed, the owner of the restaurant. He, like nearly 50% of all Queens residents, was born in another country. He hails from Alexandria, Egypt and the food served in his small cozy restaurant still makes the home folks proud, because many Egyptian Americans frequent his restaurant to enjoy hearty meals of Alexandrian style fare at prices one can only call very, very reasonable.
The Egyptian restaurant is decorated simply but in a middle-eastern motif. The space is well used, and they can seat up to about fifty people. In fact, we were told that the restaurant served as the setting for a movie, which will be released very soon. Magdi’s wife Marcia, who’s an American-born lawyer, passed this bit of information onto us. Sorry folks, but my memory fails me, although I think it was the Accidental Husband.
NEIGHBORHOOD REPORT: NEW YORK UP CLOSE; In Astoria, Egyptian and Other North African Pleasures
By MICHAEL WOLOZ
Print Reprints ShareClose LinkedinDiggFacebookMixxMySpaceYahoo! BuzzPermalinkFOURTEEN years ago, when Tony Meloni was setting up his immigration advocacy office on Steinway Street, he thought he would introduce himself to his neighbors at Alex's Deli. Naturally, he asked for Alex. But Alex was, in fact, Alexandria, Egypt, the native city of the owners, Mohammed, Maunir and Eddie.
At the time, this stretch of Steinway Street between 28th Avenue and Astoria Boulevard, was a sleepy, even depressed group of blocks adjoining a retail district just to the south. But gradually a community of Egyptian and other North African immigrants, attracted by the area's low rents, began to invest in the neighborhood quietly, opening spice shops, Islamic gift stores, specialty cafes and a mosque.
Mr. Meloni said the first Egyptians arrived in Astoria roughly 20 years ago, though immigration really began to soar in the mid-90's shortly after Congress passed legislation that benefited countries like those in North Africa.
The most visible sign of Astoria's Egyptian and North African community is the proliferation of sheesha cafes, named for the mix of flavored tobacco and molasses smoked in hookahs. The ritual makes the cafes an anomaly even in multiethnic Astoria. Egyptian and Tunisian immigrants, for whom sheesha is a recreation, are joined by people from Morocco and Algeria at cafes' sidewalk tables where they play backgammon, drink Turkish coffee and smoke.
With the opening of El Sawkariah, his six-month-old sheesha cafe on Steinway Street, Said Ahmed sought to bring a piece of his native Cairo to Astoria, where he lives.
''Mostly the Egyptian cafes here are like those in Egypt,'' Mr. Ahmed said. ''The stores are very tiny, and outside they have like 15 chairs, with people sitting outside in the fresh air.''
Ali El Sayed is the chef and owner of the Kabab Cafe, one of the first Egyptian businesses to open in the area, and one that does not offer sheesha. After running a restaurant in Manhattan for five years, he sought an affordable place where he could replicate the familial warmth of his native Alexandria and experiment with his first love, Egyptian cuisine.
Today the Kabab Cafe sits side by side with a handful of Egyptian and other North African restaurants, including ones owned by Moroccan and Tunisian immigrants.
There are several halal meat stores owned mostly by Egyptian immigrants. Yemeni-Americans run a small gift shop, and one of the block's largest businesses is the Lebanese El Mannara, which specializes in imported Middle Eastern foods.
The boldest addition to the neighborhood is the two-month-old Mombar, with artwork by Moustaffa El Sayed, Ali's brother, who is also the chef. Moustaffa El Sayed recalled a recent evening at Mombar.
''Last week we had four girls, three of them were Egyptian -- two from Long Island, one from Westchester and one from Connecticut,'' he said. ''Where they live, they may be the only Egyptians within two miles. They want to come and see a place like Egypt, like Alexandria.'' MICHAEL WOLOZ
Photo: Essamad Lor smoking a hookah at the Egyptian Cafe on Steinway Street. At right, Mombar, a few doors away. (Photographs by Richard Lee for The New York Times)
Djehuti Member # 6698
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^ You know it's funny because we an Egyptian community here in Atlanta and most of them get mistaken for either Ethiopian Muslims or African American Muslims!
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A little OT. But some new poster drop by TNV and post a question concerning DNA migration the Ice age and the Sahara Drying up. could any one of the big brains who is well versed in the matter holla back @ him.
AswaniAswad Member # 16742
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As a egyptian Muslim i dont hate Coptics they are my fellow countrymen.
Most of those pictures are of coptics but what i dont understand is what is the point of showing them
Djehuti Member # 6698
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^ Again Coptic like Muslim is a religious group. One needs not only to focus on Copts but also Muslims or anyone who is non-Arab rural Egyptian especially Upper Egyptian Fellahin or Sa'idi.
AswaniAswad Member # 16742
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I agree with not generalizing between copt or muslim but arabs who are newcomers to egypt and the few who have married natives have mixed in so well that u cant tell the difference
ausar Member # 1797
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The Copts and Muslims both share foreign ancestry. Copts have ancestry from Lebanese,Armenians,and Greeks. As well from white Americans and Europeans.
Many Copts have the tendency to exagerate Muslim Egyptians marrying with Arabs. However, they gloss over the fact that lots of Syrians and Armenian Christians came to the Nile.( The Fatimid Armenians By Seta B. Dadoyan) For Syrians see any book A Thousand Years of Coptic Christianity by Otto Meinardus.
The purest modern Egyptians are the rural ones but even they might have varying degrees of foreign ancestry.
The key point is modern Muslim Egytians(fellahin,Sa'idi),Copts(fellahin),and Nubians share alot of the same culture despite any foreign ancestry or phenotypic differences.
Djehuti Member # 6698
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^ Yet certain angry afrangi are in denial of the above facts and make the bizzare claim that modern Egyptians are the exact same as their pharaonic ancestors.
qoucela Member # 13149
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I agree with the last two comments before mine by Ausar and Djehuti. I also agree that the photos posted by Ausar range from looking like light skinned African Americans to Dominicans.
AswaniAswad Member # 16742
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No one in Egypt is pure there is no pure race on this earth.
Fellahin which only means farmer has nothing to do with ethnicity u just think that any rural egyptian is more native than the rest of egyptians ahhahahha so funny. First of all Saeedi,and Nubians share alot of the same culture with Arabs as well.
Southern Egypt all the way to WEstern Eritrea have a similar culture.
Quote Qoucela I also agree that the photos posted by Ausar range from looking like light skinned African Americans to Dominicans.
What are u talking about all Colors that everyone in the World has is nothing New from White as Snow to DArk as 10 midnights is nothing New to Africa all the Colors of the World Originated in Africa Period.
What people dont understand is that Northeast Africans and North Africans do not need to be Mixed like Many AFrican-Americans or Dominicans to Have that Look.
No Modern population looks like there ancestors.
Djehuti why would u bring up the word Afrangi that would include everyone including yourself and excluding me
Wally Member # 2936
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Why in Gods' name are you all dancing around the historical fact that from at least the time of Psammetichus , Egypt has been and remains a colonial nation under the domination of successive waves of Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs...
Arab north Africa is a colonial remnant; it is no different than South Africa under the political domination of the British and the Boers...
The difference, which I have pointed out awhile back, is that the Arabs used the 'Assimilado' practices that were also used by the Portuguese colonialists - You, look up this information!
Algeria and Morocco, for example, are no longer the domain of the Berbers; they are all "Arabs" now
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The Arabs have been in Egypt for centuries and today Egypt is 'the capital of the Arab world' - "The Middle East" is a euphemism for "the Arab empire"
and the irony is that the 'purest' Egyptians are probably those who left the country while it was still an independent state, a looong time ago...
Bettyboo Member # 12987
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quote:Originally posted by Horus-: Crikey, she's a Beaut!
No she is not. That girl is ugly to average looking.
mentu Member # 14537
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quote:Originally posted by Wally: Reality Check...
Why in Gods' name are you all dancing around the historical fact that from at least the time of Psammetichus , Egypt has been and remains a colonial nation under the domination of successive waves of Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs...
Arab north Africa is a colonial remnant; it is no different than South Africa under the political domination of the British and the Boers...
The difference, which I have pointed out awhile back, is that the Arabs used the 'Assimilado' practices that were also used by the Portuguese colonialists - You, look up this information!
Algeria and Morocco, for example, are no longer the domain of the Berbers; they are all "Arabs" now
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The Arabs have been in Egypt for centuries and today Egypt is 'the capital of the Arab world' - "The Middle East" is a euphemism for "the Arab empire"
and the irony is that the 'purest' Egyptians are probably those who left the country while it was still an independent state, a looong time ago...
Agree,Egypt was once an african oriented land,but not now,Arab imperialism cloaked in religion has almost completely destroyed african oriented egypt forever.Why did ethiopia not succumb to such change? Thats why many times I am inclined to think that arabism/islamism may be the biggest enemy of africans.
Djehuti Member # 6698
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^ Of course that is not always the case. Even despite the foreign and imperialist influences certain African traditions still survive. For example, the Zar ritual is still practiced in Egypt by Muslims and Copts alike in the rural villages of Upper Egypt. Among the Muslim Tuareg, women still maintain their high social status and prestige as well as the matrilineage. Even in Somalia there are certain religious practices that although are cloaked in Islam are actually pre-Islamic.
mentu Member # 14537
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Agree, there are some exceptions but overall,most ancient egyptianbs and northern sudanese (probably including asar himself) self identify first and foremost as 'arabs'
Djehuti Member # 6698
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^ Not the Fellahin who indigenous Egyptians. These people remain un-Arabized and never claim Arab ancestry, which is probably why they have relatively low status in Egypt.
argyle104 Member # 14634
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quote:Originally posted by AswaniAswad:
What people dont understand is that Northeast Africans and North Africans do not need to be Mixed like Many AFrican-Americans or Dominicans to Have that Look.
No Modern population looks like there ancestors.
Djehuti why would u bring up the word Afrangi that would include everyone including yourself and excluding me [/QB]
African Americans are not mixed. That is the reason why many look like so called North African berbers (Lena Horne, Lani Guinier, Vanessa Williams, Allan Payne, Christopher Williams), Ethiopians (Tupac Shakur, Roland Martin, Carl Gordon), Eritreans (Richard Pryor, Ralph Sampson), Somalis (Barry Bonds (Pittsburgh Pirates days), Michael Steele, Sean Elliot, Kelly Rowland).
Italian slaves google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&q=%22slaves+from+italy%22
argyle104 Member # 14634
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Notice how people cannot dispute the facts, so they always high tail it out of threads once I factually confront them.
Shady Aftermath Member # 14754
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I see the flies come out when they hear of or smell sh1t.
Disgusting excuse for humans.
dana marniche Member # 13149
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quote:Originally posted by AswaniAswad: No one in Egypt is pure there is no pure race on this earth. ... Quote Qoucela I also agree that the photos posted by Ausar range from looking like light skinned African Americans to Dominicans.
What are u talking about all Colors that everyone in the World has is nothing New from White as Snow to DArk as 10 midnights is nothing New to Africa all the Colors of the World Originated in Africa Period...
What people dont understand is that Northeast Africans and North Africans do not need to be Mixed like Many AFrican-Americans or Dominicans to Have that Look.
I would like an explanation of what this means, Aswani.
If "there are no pure race on this earth" than why say "North Africans do not need to be mixed like many African-AMericans or Dominicans to have that Look."
What are you really saying.
I would like to say I think most people do not hate anybody but I don't think they can mentally deal with people who speak out of both sides of their mouths like the Coptic Christians who made the website below. I hope its just an American thing, but I don't think so.
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As usual, I only see one look represented and it certainly isn't an ancient Egyptian one. In fact that might be the first time in my life I've ever seen a representation of a blond Jesus. I wonder what is going on over there in Egypt.
Awwwwwwww poor thang. My factual post must has caused you some discomfort.
I wonder why. : )
Well as they say.......
You can't beat history, you just can't.
Have a good night's rest Shady Aftermath.
PS. We all noticed that you couldn't refute the documented facts I provided.
Shady Aftermath Member # 14754
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What type of grown ass man feels discomfort from your limp dick comments. Were that not the case and your posts actually had some penetrating potential, don't you think you would have been made victim of homicide from the sharp-edged Blacks of this forum at the first instance you reared your ugly head
argyle104 Member # 14634
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Shady Aftermath wrote: ------------------------------ What type of grown ass man feels discomfort from your limp dick comments. Were that not the case and your posts actually had some penetrating potential, don't you think you would have been made victim of homicide from the sharp-edged Blacks of this forum at the first instance you reared your ugly head ------------------------------
Folks, notice once again how Shady Aftermath responds with a red herring and cannot refute the factual documented evidence provided.
You can't beat history Shady Aftermath, you just can't.
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