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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Whatbox: [QB] The single feather glyphs are reminiscent of Woodabe and of the rock art figures which also have the single feather -- but these rock art figures contrast (they are painted white) with figures in paintings said to present Fulani cultural traits. I would like to know where the rock art image of the single feather-garbed people is from and when its dated to. If it was Libyan it'd come as no cultural shock to me as its right next door to likely habitats of groups ancestral to modern West Sahelian folk. [QUOTE]alTakruri: [b]We have to face the issue of lighter skinned North Africans head on.[/b][/QUOTE]Of course. Lighter skinned Africans exist in Mountainous regions, in Southern and Central regions, not to mention in North Africa 'proper' today. Speaking of moderns, my educated guess is that they probably appear the way they do because of a combination of factors -- namely insitu evolution, demic diffusion and expansion [which likely occur sometime during and after the Dynastic era]. What makes things interesting is they are likely of Lower/Middle Nile Valley Origins and are paternally descendents of a marker that might be most common among Darfurians. Some posts on the subject of the Tamahou, Fulani and rock art, from the aforementioned thread: [QUOTE]Originally posted by alTakruri: It is the creamy colored TMHHW [IMG]http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9972/tmhhsetiitomb.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5461/tmhhsetiitombphoto.jpg[/IMG] depicted in Seti I's tomb who are compared to Fulani not the dark THHNW. Those TMHHW do phenotypically resemble Zenaga iMazighen more than Bororo Fulani. [IMG]http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8172/unmaureoh1.jpg[/IMG] Points of phenotypical/physical similarity: * Facial profile - straight (orthognous) * Chin - tufted goatee beard * Hair - thick locks * Nose - thin nostrils, well defined bridge * Face - gaunt (narrow) * Body - slim wiry build We could also examine the clothing of the TMHHW and the Bororo to unravel superficial resemblances. Note that Reynolds-Marniche didn't originate the idea of TMHHW-WoDaabe kinship. She should've closely compared the two on her own instead of repeating earlier pronouncements. In any event Reynolds-Marniche doesn't support an Egyptian origin of the Fulani. She sees them as Gaitule descendants and thus of 'Libyan' antecedents. She point blank labels them black Berbers.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Whatbox: Off topic but check out the head gear: [IMG]http://i849.photobucket.com/albums/ab56/NightSky52/mPhllstns4739hfrdsf97243.jpg[/IMG] Are those feathers or what? Tamahou? [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by alTakruri: The fact remains that Saharan rock art distinguishes the cattle herders by phenotype as well as culture from the 'white' hunters and militants who are feathered. The art with Fulani cultural traits portray brown skinned folk who in no way resemble the TMHHW of the pharaohs' tomb paintings unlike these 'whites' who do. [IMG]http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1551/site287.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1142/saharabov.gif[/IMG] Bororo distinguish themselves from Berbers and do acknowledge a one time subservient position to them. Bororo men shy from taking Berber wives and chide Bororo women who marry Berber men as reverting to the position in former times as being subservient to Berbers. Today variants of Pulaar/Fulfulde is the Fulani vernacular. Fulani legends say the first Fulbe ancestors didn't speak Fulfulde. One of the first Fulani groups of historical mention were the Banu Warith, a clan of the Godalla taMazight speakers. Some linguist claim a taMazight substratum is in Fulfulde that's absent from the Serere and Wolof Atlantic languages. Those TMHHW who were creamy colored, because all of them weren't creamy colored, got the cream in their coffee from northern Mediterraneans both before and after the events of the Trojan War and the 'Sea People' migrations. Since descriptions of Latin Rome and thereafter don't recognize the Maurs as white skinned the white Riffians colour must come from the trade in white women instituted and well noted after the rise of Islam. If not, then it may be from prehistory when the 'Beaker' trade and other trade was ongoing between the western half of littoral North Africa, Spain, and Mediterranean islanders. http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=000444#000034 Very many contemporay littoral North Africans are partially descended from Spaniards, Italians, and Greeks. It's these misegenated iMazighen who cry the most against 'black' Africans and take pains to remove themselves from any connections to blacks or to non-'Berber' Africans.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by The Explorer: The Tamahou and Tehenu need not be confused with one another. The former were generally featured as light-toned characters sporting [b]double[/b]-feathered gear on their heads; whereas the latter were darker-toned characters, and did not sport a feathered head gear. The former wore a cape-like garment, whereas the latter were more bare in their dressing, entailing distinctive straps crossing one another across the chest area, neck gear or laces, and sheaths covering their frontal ends. The aforementioned "strapped-gear" may be reminiscent of those occasionally seen on Wodaabe/Bororo dancers, generally white in color; however, this is a far cry from identifying the Tehenu as the Bororo. For one, such garment is by no means relegated to the Bororo; Intore dancers for instance, feature such garment. As a matter of an example, a wall-relief displays the Tehenu without a feathered head gear. The Bororo dancers typically have single-feathered head gears, with the feather right above the forehead...interestingly, reminiscent of the "white" toned figures in the rock art picture above [reposted below]. At any rate, the dress of the "white" toned figures is distinct from that associated with the Bororo... [IMG]http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1551/site287.jpg[/IMG] Hard to make it out with precision due to the fairly low resolution, but some of the characters below, appear to be wearing head-gears, reminiscent of those "conical"-looking hats worn by the Bororo... [IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TFdF--fOnx8/SkNuhDgZoEI/AAAAAAAAAas/ar9QLWBS7A4/s1600/T240946A.jpg[/IMG] The aforementioned Tehenu wall-relief also displays domesticated fauna, like cattle, goats, donkeys/asses and possibly sheep. The cattle depicted here though, are not morphologically those of the established Fulani-variants. In a few words, there is nothing about Tehenu figures that is particularly characteristic of [i]just[/i] the contemporary Bororo or Fulas in general. [/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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