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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Asar Imhotep: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] ^ Strawman arguments. Give credit where credit is due. If it is [i]proven[/i] with undeniable evidence that there is foreign influence then so be it. This is true enough about Greece but it is NOT the case with Nigerian culture responsible for Onicha and Eredo and Shona culture which were responsible for Great Zimbabwe! There is NO evidence of Egyptian origins for these feats! As for your example of Hieroglyphs. It may have been invented further south in Ta-Seti but it still does not change the fact that it was a Nile Valley innovation given to another Nile Valley people! Now PROVE Nile Valley innovations for the cause of Guinea forest African achievents! [/qb][/QUOTE]I think many people are misguided in their thoughts and faith in African people. I am not sure how many on this list are actually involved in "priestly" circles but in the priestly circles you often here about some of the Yoruba people migrations from Egypt in ancient times. You also hear about migrations to Egypt before and during pharaonic times. It is an insult to Africans intelligence to think that during 3000 years of alleged pharonic history that no west Africans went to Egypt, studied, lived, had families, went back home to visit etc. YET we are to believe that Mansa Musa travelled all the way to Mecca with several hundred men and back in his life time? Indigineous Blacks can't do it until we encounter Arabs? This is not a coincidence: Benin [IMG]http://www.forafricanart.com/assets/images/mohamed%20keita/courtdwarfbenin.jpg[/IMG] Cameroon [IMG]http://www.lotzdollpages.com/pixafrica/camaroonpygmy1_301.jpg[/IMG] Nigeria 1300 AD [IMG]http://hum.lss.wisc.edu/hjdrewal/Ife3.jpg[/IMG] Egypt [IMG]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/28/53086299_83e40aa788.jpg[/IMG] The features are what matters. Let's examine them: 1) all (with the acception of the one with no bottom) has bowed legs 2) all have the signature belly rope/beads? 3) all (with the acception of the Cameroonian one) has a skull pendant or necklace 4) usually all of these types of figures have their tongue sticking out. Only one above does not (the one from Benin) 5) usually they have the signature beard as well. As someone who knows African wisdom centers intimately, "artists" do not carve items like this for the sake of "art." All positions of legs, hands, all necklaces, mouth positions, etc. mean something and are only revealed in initiation circles. No anthropoligists, unless initiatiated, can tell what these things mean. I can give you one clue, anything dealing with "bones" (the skull pendant) deals with Ancestors in African spiritual societies. Someone has to explain how osmosis is the cause for all of these "coincidences" in the art work in these different regions. When one does further research you will find that "Bes" is all over the world and is consistant with oral traditions concerning the "dwarf" people who were going around spreading spiritual concepts. It's these 'myths' that later inspired your stories of "asar" going around teaching civilization throughout the land. Remember Bes is Heru before he was Heru the Elder. Heru is another form of Osiris. They are all the same entity. The "myths" are giving you history. Somone has to explain how the Igbo people made it to Scandanavia and Ireland and Greece (with other Niger-Congo speakers) but somehow missed the Nile Valley? The following article lays to rest the notion that west Africans in ancient times were not travelling far distances and teaching spiritual concepts. I uploaded the article to my site: OGAM STONE INSCRIPTIONS AND IGBO COLUMN-WRITING: A COMPARISON By Catherine Obianuju Acholonu [url]http://www.asarimhotep.com/documentdownloads/Ogam_stone_ inscriptions_igbo_column_writings.pdf[/url] From the opening paragraph: "Ogam (also spelt Ogham) was the earliest form of writing and communication known in the British Isles and in Scandinavia , where ancient traditions insist that it was introduced by the Druids, who, according to the indigenous traditions of the Isles, were[bold] Black African dwarfs and magicians.[/bold]" Do you think those "lepricons" were a figment of their imagination? The following lend support to the probability that "West Africans" (including the Yoruba) may have been in the Nile Valley during ancient times as these areas are just outside its bounds. HLA genes in Macedonians and the sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks: http://www.makedonika.org/processpaid.aspcontentid=ti.2001.pdf GJK Campell-Dunn' s work Comparative Linguistics: Indo-European and Niger-Congo: http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/gc_dunn/Comparative_Linguistics.pdf Then read Towards a Comparative Grammar with Linear A and Niger-Congo: http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/gc_dunn/LA_and_NC.pdf Then read The Etruscan Decipherment: http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/gc_dunn/LA_and_NC.pdf And then read my article on the African superhighway of Wisdom for a cultural perspective on why all of this ties in together (and remember the details of the article of the Ogam script) The African Super Highway of Wisdom by Asar Imhotep http://www.asarimhotep.com/documents/The_African_Superhighway_of_Wisdom.pdf Sometimes it's not about "trade" for goods. African people travelled to teach and to gain knowledge. That is very hard for Westerners to understand because we think we know it all and that other people don't have anything to teach us. We think that travelling just for the sake of knowledge is something proposterous and can't be the endeavors of primitive African people. Well African people do and have been doing it for thousands upon thousands of years and to this very day, as we speak, there are people walking, travelling across Africa getting teachings from local masters all across the continent while people who don't know Africans argue on messageboards about what Africans are capable of. I'm to believe that West Africans, people who to this date, travel along the African Super Highway of Wisdom just to learn Africa's secrets, in the time of the Pharaohs, a time of great learning, at the place where Egypt was the center of learning for the whole world at the time, never thought of, never contemplated for a second to go the Nile Valley to learn and teach. Who is insulting Africans? 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