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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]Djehuti[/b]: ^ From the above information it can be ascertained that Yam's likely location was somewhere to the south past the 2nd cataract going towards Punt and probably bordering the Libyan Temehu to their west as seen by their apparent conflict with them. It's interesting that references to Yam disappear at around the same time that Kushite kingdom of Kerma arose. It's little doubt Yam was replaced or assimilated by Kerma.[/QUOTE]. It's interesting at the time the OP report was released you seemed convinced by this one piece of evidence that Yam was in the desert. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: Fascinating find nontheless!! So after all this time Yam was in the Western Desert. Many scholars once thought it was located south in Nubia and in fact was area of land that became Kush.[/QUOTE]. When doubts were raised you did modify [QUOTE]Is it not possible that what they discovered was a trading post constructed and managed by the people of Yam until Egyptians took it over?[/QUOTE]. So I guess what I'm wondering is what exactly brought you back around to the most parsimonious view that Yam was one of the kingdoms along the Nile south of TaSeti/Wawat? [/qb][/QUOTE]From the evidence I always thought Yam was in a general location that was southwest i.e. south of Lower Nubia but west of the Nile. I have no idea about its exact border areas but you do raise a point that the center of the kingdom could very well have been along the Nile while its borders stretched into Temeh. [QUOTE][qb] Centric long ago posted this interesting map locating major Nehesi territories and the land of Temeh to boot. [IMG]http://www.ancientsudan.org/images/01_history_chiefdoms.jpg[/IMG] At first, some of Temeh appears too far south but then Joseph O. Vogel published a map accompanying an article by Kay Williamson based on Peter Behrens locating Tamazight (Berber) language origins at Darfur just north of Jebel Marra where Meidob is now spoken. [IMG]http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/8919/lzy0.jpg[/IMG] Behrens work dates to 1984. I've asked a few times for more up to date info on the place where Tamazight began but no one yet has offered anything from any linguist. [/qb][/QUOTE]Ah, that sounds right! I am also reminded of past archaeology showing connections between so-called C-Group and Temehu as well. As far as the linguistic evidence goes phonetically Berber has more in common with Egyptian yet grammatically and even phonologically its features are more aligned with Chadic. We also know that many Saharan Tamazig genetically have much in common with Beja people, though as to the Darfur region being the source I don't know. I find it puzzling that Darfur today is predominantly Nilo-Saharan speaking. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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