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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]Djehuti[/b]: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: So I guess what I'm wondering is what exactly brought you back around to the most parsimonious view that Yam was one of the kingdoms along the Nile south of TaSeti/Wawat? [/QUOTE]. From the evidence I always thought Yam was in a general location that was southwest i.e. south of Lower Nubia but west of the Nile. I have no idea about its exact border areas but you do raise a point that the center of the kingdom could very well have been along the Nile while [URL=http://underscore]its borders stretched into Temeh[/URL]. [QUOTE] Centric long ago posted this interesting map locating major Nehesi territories and the land of Temeh to boot. [IMG]http://www.ancientsudan.org/images/01_history_chiefdoms.jpg[/IMG] At first, some of Temeh appears too far south but then Joseph O. Vogel published a map accompanying an article by Kay Williamson based on Peter Behrens locating Tamazight (Berber) language origins at Darfur just north of Jebel Marra where Meidob [a Nilo-Saharan language] is now spoken. [IMG]http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/8919/lzy0.jpg[/IMG] Behrens work dates to 1984. I've asked a few times for more up to date info on the place where Tamazight began but no one yet has offered anything from any linguist. [/QUOTE]Ah, that sounds right! I am also reminded of past archaeology showing connections between so-called C-Group and Temehu as well. As far as the linguistic evidence goes phonetically Berber has more in common with Egyptian yet grammatically and even phonologically its features are more aligned with Chadic. We also know that many Saharan Tamazig genetically have much in common with Beja people, though as to the Darfur region being the source I don't know. I find it puzzling that Darfur today is predominantly Nilo-Saharan speaking. [/QUOTE]. Just to be clear I don't think Yam stretched into Temeh. Primary docs clearly distinguish Yam from Temeh. I don't necessarily see TC's map presenting hard and fast borders rather than territorial approximations. Maybe he'll tell us more about that map from its source? Also I don't see the need for A or C groups anymore. We know the former is TaSeti and the latter Wawat. Same for Nubia when talking about peoples or polities when the specifics keep us from confusion. For me, Nubia is best reserved for geography to describe extreme south Egypt and northern Sudan or modern peoples known as Nubians. The following addressed not so much to DJ as to the forum. Academia translates (Ta)Nehesu as Nubia(ns). Problem is there were Nehesu living well beyond Nubia. Medjay and certain Intyw (Antiu/Troglodytes) for instance. This brings me around to Temehu and C Group. Once it's understood Wawat including Wawat's provinces, Irtjet, Satju, etc., was peopled by C Groupers then clearly Temehu have not a thing to do with being C Groupers. As far as my researching has lead me, at no time during the history of Ancient Egypt were Temehu ever Nehesu. [IMG]http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8773/l34s.jpg[/IMG] Figures 37 and 19 from Förster2006 Abu Ballas Trail Painted bowl, dated to the First Intermediate Period, from a tomb at the Qubbet el-Hawa near Aswan and a Rock engraving at Abu Ballas showing a ‘Libyan’ (?) hunter with two dogs chasing a gazelle (photos: R. Kuper). Again primary records from that era and later distinctly reckon Temeh as no part of those polities associated with Nehesi people. Please check out the EgyptSearchReloaded thread [i][b][URL=http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/539/nehesi-primary-old-kingdom-docs]TA-NEHESI: primary Old Kingdom docs [/URL][/b][/i] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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