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This site was provided by Nehesy. I used Google translate to give us the English translation from the French...
Letter from Cairo
quote:SOME GENETIC FEATURES OF ANCIENT EGYPTIANS
As part of research conducted by the Cairo University in collaboration with the Higher Council of Antiquities, it has been possible to achieve the anthropological characteristics of the Pharaohs.
According to preliminary indications, we reached a number of traits of the Pharaohs. It was possible to identify genes for size, color and eye color and hair of the king in the Pharaonic era in which samples were collected. They were placed on mummies in sarcophagi. A group of researchers has been able to separate those genes that have proven that the ancient Egyptians were not taller as previously thought. Their size was rather average, with the exception of Ramses II, whose analysis of genes has proven to be cut.
It has also been demonstrated that his skin was brown and his hair was black, not red. The color red has been found on his mummy is due to a dye (probably henna). His eyes were black with a slight tinge of brown.
Amenhotep III was short of stature, the color of his skin was a light brown. His eyes and his hair was black dark. These features show that the kings were related. All the kings at that time had a common origin in the family tree of the royal family. It is possible to determine a precise dates and times in the future. This research will confirm certain anthropological traits that have been studied before on the Pharaonic mummies. This will give preliminary indications about the traits, diseases and characteristics of the Pharaohs.
xyyman Member # 13597
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Great post as usual.
Only a idiot would believe an African will have red hair.
A red-headed nordic European in the middle of the desert.
He wouldn't make to puberty. . .right Mininarmer. I will agree with you on that one.
ameny-ra Member # 17092
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Amenhotep3 skin was not lightbrown,he was always shown to be dark reddish brown and sometimes Chocolate toned,light brown was probaly made up,because his mummy is in real bad condition to really know what his skin color was,but he was darker than light brown.
his true skin color.
in the flesh skin tone when alive.
Wally Member # 2936
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quote:Originally posted by ameny-ra:
Amenhotep3 skin was not light brown, he was always shown to be dark reddish brown and sometimes Chocolate toned,light brown was probably made up,because his mummy is in real bad condition to really know what his skin color was,but he was darker than light brown.
Thou dost protest too much, methinks...
LIGHT BROWN SKIN (caramel)
Hammer Member # 17003
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all of those Egyptian 18th dynasty kinds were light reddish. They may have differed somewhat from the standard North African caucasian Egyptian since there is a good chance they had injected Asian genes into the royal family.
Wally Member # 2936
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quote:Originally posted by Hammer: all of those Egyptian 18th dynasty kinds were light reddish. They may have differed somewhat from the standard North African caucasian Egyptian since there is a good chance they had injected Asian genes into the royal family.
quote:The concept of a Caucasian race or Varietas Caucasia was developed around 1800 by Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, a German scientist and classical anthropologist. Blumenbach named it after the peoples of the Caucasus (from the Caucasus region), whom he considered to be the archetype for the grouping. He based his classification of the Caucasian race primarily on craniology. Blumenbach wrote: "Caucasian variety - I have taken the name of this variety from Mount Caucasus, ... in that region, if anywhere, it seems we ought with the greatest probability to place the autochthones (birth place) of mankind."
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more wallyisms. Wally is writing from Berkeley, a barbarian sewer. No wonder he is an idiot.
Apocalypse Member # 8587
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quote:more wallyisms. Wally is writing from Berkeley, a barbarian sewer. No wonder he is an idiot
Hammer, Wally is a solid contributor to Egypt Search. There's no need for me to defend him however, he's quite capable of doing that himself. But I do grant you this: if we wanted to learn about sewers, sewage, or anything scatological you'd be our first resort.
xyyman Member # 13597
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What about . . "no one take you guys seriously"
quote:Originally posted by Hammer: more wallyisms. Wally is writing from Berkeley, a barbarian sewer. No wonder he is an idiot.
Wally Member # 2936
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Excerpt from the Cairo Research:
quote:These features show that the kings were related. All the kings at that time had a common origin in the family tree of the royal family.
What I like about the Cairo research finding is that it re-inforces a point which I made as far back as 2004:
The Kememou Matriarchy:
The matriarchal system of society, whereby descent was through the female line was the basis of the social organization in Ancient Egypt, and indeed throughout the rest of Black Africa.
quote: "Because of the need to ensure that the next king was born to a woman of the purest royal blood and because the role of the Great Royal Wife was of the greatest importance to the succession, the ruling king was usually married to the Great Royal Daughter (who was customarily his sister and the eldest daughter of the previous king and his Great Royal Wife). Inheritance thus passed through the female line; to substantiate his claim to the throne and gain acceptance of his own son as the next heir, each royal heir presumptive had to marry the Great Royal Daughter...Even claimants who had only tenuous links with the main royal line could legitimatize their kingship if they married the royal heiress. --Handbook to Life in Ancient Egypt, p87 by Rosalie David, Oxford
This system was so much at the core of Kememou political philosophy that it expresses itself in the legend of Isis (the ancestor-goddess of the Ancient Egyptians) and Osiris (the ancestor-god of the Ancient Egyptians); expressed by their very name/titles:
(I)Sit_Iri and/or Iri_(I)Sit -- sit(throne) (EWB;dictionary; 83a,b) (see EWB;Osiris;Vol1;pp25-26) also Asar, Ausar
Isis Isi; Isi_t; Sit -- (throne) also Auset; Aset
Thus it is clear; Osiris is portrayed as the fashioner or creator of political power and inheritance and Isis is political power and inheritance -- Kememou dialectics...
...enter European Revisionism
Since evidence of the Kememou matriarchy is abundant, clear, and emphatic, why do we have statements such as this from Joyce Tyldesley in her book "Ramesses:Egypt's Greatest Pharaoh";
quote: "the old 'heiress princess' theory which stated that the right to rule was passed through the female line, compelling the crown prince to marry his heiress sister, is now discredited."
With supreme arrogance the author has simply denied one of the fundamental principles of Kememou social ideology as practiced across millenniums.
To those familiar with this type of arrogant distortion, one would immediately recall a similar statement; "the old notion that the ancient Egyptians belonged to the Negro race is an error that has now been refuted." We are well aware of the reason behind that nonsense but why the equally deceitful denial of the Kememou matriarchy? It is to allow the process of bending a theory to fit a particular ideology, in this case, the foreign infiltration (of non-Blacks) into the Kememou ruling class.
Despite the fact that it was forbidden by law for a female royal to marry a foreigner (due to the matriarchy and the rules of descent), if we deny its very existence, we can then have a 'Mitannian' Nefertiti, a 'foreign' Queen Tiye, or 'play games' with the lineage of the Ramessid's dynasty(19th ).
While there may have indeed been occasions where Kememou tradition and laws were violated, it should certainly raise a red flag to any serious student of Kememou history. In other words, if you were to read somewhere that 'such and such' a Royal Queen was of foreign birth, you must immediately stop and say, 'hey, wait a minute, that was illegal!
Djehuti Member # 6698
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quote:Originally posted by Wally: This site was provided by Nehesy. I used Google translate to give us the English translation from the French...
Letter from Cairo
quote:SOME GENETIC FEATURES OF ANCIENT EGYPTIANS
As part of research conducted by the Cairo University in collaboration with the Higher Council of Antiquities, it has been possible to achieve the anthropological characteristics of the Pharaohs.
According to preliminary indications, we reached a number of traits of the Pharaohs. It was possible to identify genes for size, color and eye color and hair of the king in the Pharaonic era in which samples were collected. They were placed on mummies in sarcophagi. A group of researchers has been able to separate those genes that have proven that the ancient Egyptians were not taller as previously thought. Their size was rather average, with the exception of Ramses II, whose analysis of genes has proven to be cut.
It has also been demonstrated that his skin was brown and his hair was black, not red. The color red has been found on his mummy is due to a dye (probably henna). His eyes were black with a slight tinge of brown.
Amenhotep III was short of stature, the color of his skin was a light brown. His eyes and his hair was black dark. These features show that the kings were related. All the kings at that time had a common origin in the family tree of the royal family. It is possible to determine a precise dates and times in the future. This research will confirm certain anthropological traits that have been studied before on the Pharaonic mummies. This will give preliminary indications about the traits, diseases and characteristics of the Pharaohs.
So much for Ramses being a 'red-head'.
They state that the skin color of the pharaohs was 'brown' but they never specified exactly what brown as that color comes in many hues. Indeed, the standard brown color is that of milk chocolate and part of the range of colors associated with 'black' people. So by light brown do they mean mahogany?
By the way, if these scientists were able to tell us all this from autosomal genes, surely they can tell the overall autosomal affinities with other populations. They probably can but whether they will is a different matter. So far the SCA is keeping a lid on things like population lineage and for obvious reasons.
Djehuti Member # 6698
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quote:Originally posted by Hammered: all of those Egyptian 18th dynasty kinds were light reddish. They may have differed somewhat from the standard North African caucasian Egyptian since there is a good chance they had injected Asian genes into the royal family.
The usual unsubstatiated claims from the professor who is not even an expert in this field nor who cites any experts. Pray tell what is this "light reddish" skin color you speak of and please define the "standard North African caucasian". Also, I hope you realize that even mainstream Egyptology scoffs at the notion that the 18th dynasty ever intermarried with Asians let alone carry Asian ancestry.
quote: more wallyisms. Wally is writing from Berkeley, a barbarian sewer. No wonder he is an idiot.
You insult Wally because what? He does something you never do in the form of citing actual scholarly evidence?? LOL
Djehuti Member # 6698
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And just to point out again, I find these experts description of the skin color as 'brown' to be just as vague as it is euphemistic. Considering that these researchers are Egyptians, we must remember that modern Egyptians are rather in denial about their own ethnic identity and many people in that country that would be classified as 'black' in the West are always called 'brown' instead, such as rural types like the men below.
Bob_01 Member # 15687
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As said in past debates with previous morons, hair isn't a very reliable indicator. Besides it doesn't overturn the data suggesting that Kemetians were Black African in body plain, melanin level, genetics and linguistics.
However this letter clears the hair misconception, which is odd considering red hair is rare in modern Egypt. That hair color is even rare in Northern Europe so it's quite hilarious that would be used as evidence. Those hair colors are not even exclusive to Europeans.
Djehuti Member # 6698
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^ Which is exactly why no Egyptologist or any scholar or scientist for that matter entertains the idea of redheads and blondes being native to Egypt especially in ancient times!
Ony the nutty nordicists and other white supremacists do, but who cares what lunatics say?
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