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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kalonji: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mindovermatter: Originally posted by Kalonji: I've provided evidence for the above, ________________________________________ Where kalonji? I've asked you numerous times, where is your evidence?? [/QUOTE]Can you point out to me where I said that, I can’t answer your question when you leave out the surrounding context. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mindovermatter: This is what you call a fallacy, case and point, [b]I never said the Natufians were cold adapted.[/b] [/QUOTE]Correct, you said ‘’more cold adapted’’. And you also used Brace’s cranio-facial measurements that were based on 4 crania to say something about Natufians in general. LOL. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mindovermatter: Besides, the only Africans who do not display this tropical characteristic, would be sub-tropical populations like the Khoi and San. [/QUOTE]Aaaaaand that is relevant because…? How does a population that is adapted to south Africa fit in this discussion. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mindovermatter: Otherwise you can compare them to coastal north Africans who have been shown to be intermediate, specifically due to non indigenous African influence. [/QUOTE]And there is a reason to delve into that because..? [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mindovermatter: What other African ethic group might align with the Natufians in Trentons sample? Any idea? [/QUOTE]What is this, a quiz or something? [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mindovermatter: How do you say they "didnt", wherein the next sentence, you say they did? But only Braces samples? This makes absolutely no sense. If Braces samples signifies this in four remains, how can you say they did not? You can't!! Other samples of Natufians analyzed have been noted to resemble modern Africans, that have been deemed "Negroid".[/QUOTE]Huh..? You mean you’re so ignorant that you can’t even comprehend how 4 crania may not be representive of an ethnic group, much less an entire population that contained at least two ethnic groups? Dude.. 4 crania from the African component that practiced Natufians culture fell in between Niger Congo speakers and Nubians in Brace’s plot. This doesn’t take the Eurasian component into account. If Brace included the other component, the result would have been different. But you just don’t get it, or you don’t want to get it. 50% of Keita’s Badarian sample fell in the range of what his Gabonese sample was capable of expressing, but this doesn’t mean that both groups clustered in Keitas study. So I’mma put it up here again, and I dare you to say I’m wrong: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Kalonji: -In contrary to what you've stated, Natufians did not resemble Niger Congo speakers. 4 specimens from Brace's sample did. [/QUOTE]^I’m curious to see if your hard headedness will push you to keep arguing over something you’ve obviously lost. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mindovermatter: Really? Where have you provided evidence for this? Please specify. Remember Natufians arose late Mesolithic. So provide evidence. [/QUOTE][i]One can identify Negroid traits of nose and prognathism [b]appearing[/b] in Natufian [b]latest[/b] hunters.. - Larry Angel (1972)[/i] See the word ‘’appearing’’ and the word ‘’latest’’? What does it mean when something ‘’appears’’ in the ‘’latest’’ part of a phase (Natufian hunters)? [i]It is a further surprise that the Epipalaeolithic Natufian of Israel [b]from whom the Neolithic realm was assumed to arise[/b] has a clear link to Sub-Saharan Africa. [/i] Note that Brace’s choice of words imply the same, in that the African traits he discusses don’t just pertain to ANY Epipalaeolithic Natufian, but specifically the Natufian that was contemporary, and involved in the making of the things we associate with the neolithic age. It just baffles me that you missed me quoting this before, and that you’re apparently not even aware of what Angel and others have been saying all along. This is what I had posted before, and you have yet to respond to it, and even worse, you keep acting like I haven’t shown it. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Kalonji: [b]that the later Natufians[/b] were short people, the males having a mean stature of 160 cm. [b]These late Natufians[/b] represent a basically Mediterranean type with minor negroid affinities. There was, apparently, [b]a change[/b] of race [b]during the Natufian.[/b] [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mindovermatter: Sorry, but all data on Natufians has been posted on ES for years. [/QUOTE]Exactly, and judging by your inability to grasp the meaning of ‘’appearing negroid traits’’ in Natufians ‘’latest hunters’’ in Angels words, you clearly haven’t absorbed much. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mindovermatter: [b]Are you slow?[/b] "The population overflow from Northeast Africa played a definite role in the establishment of the Natufian adaptation, which in turn led to the emergence of agriculture as a new subsistence system." ---Bar Yosef[/QUOTE]No, not slow, but you obviously are! According to that quote, Bar Yosef makes no claims about a co-creation event. And the understanding I got from reading Brace, Angel Keith and others, is fully in line with what Bar Yosef said in your own quote. You’re just too slow to understand that from that quote, he doesn’t even agree with you about two population coming together to merge their cultures into Natufian. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mindovermatter: No kid, I quoted that in reference to Ehret and his linguistic evidence which indicates the words for this action are older in Africa than Asia, and appear later in Asia. With noting of archaeological movement, along with genetic evdidence... it all goes together.. [/QUOTE]It goes together to argue against an invisible opponent that only you seem to have words with. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mindovermatter: If you say so.... Stop quoting Wiki Kalnoji... [/QUOTE]You keep making yourself look like an ignoramus, for real. Obviously I was correct in my statement that you are ignorant about Trenton and the other sources posted, because if you were familiar, you would have known that Trenton among others, uses ‘’post cranial’’ to refer to skeletons with the cranium excluded. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike111: Evolution at the Crossroads: Modern Human Emergence in Western Asia [b]Trenton W. Holliday[/b] (Mar., 2000) Abstract There is long-standing disagreement (....) In this paper I attempt to resolve this issue by examining [b]postcranial measures reflective of body shape.[/b][/QUOTE]The prefix ‘’post’’ means after or beyond, as in: a post-war period, or post-partum depression. Both examples are in agreement with the way I have used the term throughout this thread. Like I said: You can't even get it right when going off topic. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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