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[QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] [QUOTE]Which author made this ridiculous claim and associated study?? It's true that [i]some[/i] cultures in Africa that are based on plantation style farming implemented polygamy to have more hands to work these farms, but what the hell does any of this have to do with the trend of out of wedlock births in the African American community today with its negative effects, especially considering that just several generations ago such a trend was extremely low?! This sounds like more leftist crap that seeks to destroy minority families, especially black families. For example during the 60s many leftist feminists tried to use the African traditions of matriarchy in their distorted view to suggest black women didn't need men to raise families and look what happened! [/qb][/QUOTE]^^Its not only leftists, but "biodiversity" types like Steve Sailer and racists like Jared Taylor. But when their claims are examined, they simply don't hold up, nor is their notion of alleged white European virtue. --------------------------------------------------- [b]And the record of white European "role models" is far from impressive as regards child care. Indeed ruthless abandonment of children was a practice common in white medieval Europe, but it is often not talked about by "Caucasoid" historians.[/b] Scholarly works such as Milner 2000 (Milner, Larry S. (2000). Hardness of Heart / Hardness of Life: The Stain of Human Infanticide') and many others give many of the gory details of the activities of these allegedly virtuous white "role models." Asian societies like China for example historically carried out massive amounts of sex selective infanticide. In "Caucasoid" India, female infanticide of newborn girls was systematic in many areas, including tossing children into the Ganges River as a sacrificial offering. Among supposedly more moral and virtuous Caucasoid Europeans, killing of children was common. In ancient Sardinia, three thousand bones of young children, with evidence of sacrificial rituals, have been found there. Among supposedly more virtuous Caucasoid stocks in Southwest Asia or the "Middle East", child sacrifices to their goddess Ishtar was routine, and among some Caucasoid tribes of what is now Greece, every 10th child was killed as sacrifice in difficult economic times. In Caucasoid Carthage, child sacrifice according to Milner, "reached its infamous zenith," with infants and young children burned in fire or roasted alive in hot bronze. One archeological excavations yielded 20,000 charred remains of young children (packed in urns). The Bible mentions such sacrifice among the Caucasoid Phoenicians at a site called Topeth. (Brown, Shelby (1991). Late Carthaginian Child Sacrifice and Sacrificial Monuments in their Mediterranean Context.) In Caucasoid Greece, the exposure of unwanted newborns was not uncommon, especially among the noble Spartans. In Caucasoid Rome, infanticide was common, despite laws on the books. Indeed Philo the Philosopher speaks out against it, noting the casual nature with which it was carried out by the Romans. Offenders were rarely prosecuted under Roman law, and said law allowed killing of Caucasoid newborns if they were visibly deformed. (Naphtali, Lewis, ed (1985). "Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 744". Life in Egypt Under Roman Rule). Indeed Rome was founded by near victims of infanticide- the legendary Romulus and Remus. Among the ancient Caucasoid Germanic tribes, the practice was not unknown, and unwanted children were liquidated in the forests. Archeological data shows the burnt bones of children, disposed of as child sacrifice in ancient Britain. (Boswell, John (1988). The Kindness of Strangers. NY: Vintage Books). In Caucasoid Europe of the Middle Ages, one scholar (Langer 2000) notes that infanticide "was practiced on gigantic scale with absolute impunity, noticed by writers with most frigid indifference". At the end of the 12th century, notes Richard Trexler, Roman women threw their newborns into the Tiber river in daylight. (Langer, William L. (1974). "Infanticide: a historical survey". History of Childhood Quarterly 1 (3): 353–366. -- Trexler, Richard (1973). "Infanticide in Florence: new sources and first results". History of Childhood quarterly 1: 99.) In Caucasoid Russia child sacrifice was offered to the pagan god Perun, who was worshipped as the god of lightning and thunder, and in Kamchatka, children were tossed to dogs to be eaten alive. (Russia in the era of NEP: explorations in Soviet society and culture - Page 201. 1991. Sheila Fitzpatrick, Alexander Rabinowitch, Richard Stites) ------------------------------------------- [b]By contrast with the supposedly more virtuous and moral Caucasoids and Asiatics above, Africa has the lowest incidence of infanticide historically. [/b]As scholar Milner notes: QUOTE: [i] "Africa has been reported to have a lower incidence of infanticide than all of the other continents."[/i] --Milner, L.S. (2000). Hardness of Heart / Hardness of Life: the stain of infanticide. University Press. p. 160 ---------------------------------- [b]even in ancient Egypt, the indigenous African valued chilren’s lives more than European or Middle Eastern “role models”[/b] Infanticide did occur in Africa but to a much saller, much less extent that allegedly more virtuous cold Caucasoid or Asiatic “role models.” Ancient Egypt, which was fundamentally populated by peoples with tropical limb proportions from south of the Sahara, is no exception (Zakrewski 2007, Keita 1992, 2005, 2008, Raxter and Ruff 2008 et al). In Egyptian households, at all social levels, children of both sexes were valued and there is no evidence of infanticide.[14] The religion of the Ancient Egyptians forbade infanticide and during the Greco-Roman period they rescued abandoned babies from manure heaps, a common method of infanticide by Greeks or Romans, and were allowed to either adopt them as foundlings or raise them as slaves, often giving them names such as "copro -" to memorialise their rescue.[15] Strabo considered it a peculiarity of the Egyptians that every child must be reared.[16] Diodorus indicates infanticide was a punishable offence by the Egyptians.[17] [b]Yet other scholars note very high mortality rates even when abandoned children were taken in my monastery or church- with dismal conditions [/b] quote [i]"when infants left at the doors of the hospital 'in a poor and piteous state.. in great danger of being devoured by pigs and other beasts.. [and dying] for want of human milk.' Infants shared rooms with the sick and as many a s a dozen children sometimes slept in one bed. The children usually died within eight to fifteen days."[/i] --Abandoned children: foundlings and child welfare in nineteenth-century France. By Rachel Ginnis Fuchs [b]Nor is this pattern of child abuse confined to medieval Europe. It appears among white populations in urban America.[/b] In the 1800s there were tens of thousands of abandoned white children sleeping on open streets in places like New York or Boston (sowell 1981). [b]The same pattern continued down to the present day- with white women leading all others in rates of abortion.[/b] Two out of three babies in white Russia for example are aborted by supposedly more caring white "role models." (Loveless and Holman 2006). -------------------- [b]And European fatherhood was hardly the more "caring" or "involved" picture "biodiversity" types would have us believe. In fact they were rather distant from their children: [/b] quote- [i] "Medieval fatherhood however, did not mean participating continuously in the upbringing of a child. Mothers and servants commonly took the lead role in childrearing. .. But father/son companionship bonding is not a prominent theme in literary sources. Fathers may be proud of their sons, but they do not play a major role in their formation. It was a fact of patrilineal reproduction, rather than the relationship with a son, that contributed to medieval manhood."[/i] -- From boys to men: formations of masculinity in late medieval Europe By Ruth Mazo Karras ^Hardly the picture of sterling white role model fathers "bonding" with their children, or involved in their lives.. In short, when “biodiversity” claims of supposed white virtue are put to the test, said claims reveal whites to be dubious exemplars of moral worth or virtue. In fact, the historical record often indicates the opposite. WHen they try to apply supposed “African” patterns to explain various socio-economic conditions among US blacks their claims are also dubious. Between 1890 and 1950 for example, every census shows US blacks posting higher marriage rates and lower divorce rates than US whites (Sowell 2005), an “impossible” outcome if alleged “African polygamy patterns” were supposedly so dominant. If these "African" practices were the cause of US Black family instability, why did black folk for over 50 years after slavery post relatively low out-of-wedlock rates, and post higher marriage rates than whites? In very US census between 1890 and 1940 for example blacks posted higher marriage rates than whites. The black OOW rate as late as 1960 weighed in at 19%, less than that of today [URL=http://knol.google.com/k/mainstream-academic-research/hypocritical-hereditarianism-why-higher/3q8x30897t2cs/42#]'[/URL] s US whites, and much less than the OOW rates for supposedly more virtuous Nordics in various areas of the 19th century (white Vienna -46%, or white Stockholm -49% for example), or contemporary Nordics (45% Iceland and Sweden or 40% Dennmark in the 1980s), and much lower than the 50% OOW rates posted in heavily white Irish areas in the 19th century. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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