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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by [b]Clyde Winters[/b]: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: So do White Fulani Zebu, remember? So what? Bait and switch? Modern Sanga ^= prehistoric Saharan cattle. What's this? One picture is supposed to overturn a genetic report? Wrong forum. Try Ancient Egypt. [/QUOTE]. The genetic report says that the African cattle were not all mixed. It also makes it clear that Indic cattle are a recent addition to the African region. See: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967955/pdf/pgen.1004254.pdf . It is possible that after the Mande and Dravidians entered Central Asia and India they may have took Zebu cattle back to Africa. I was lurking your discussion of cattle in another thread. This led me to the Khoisan cattle. This was interesting because the Khoisan had their own terms for cattle unrelated to Bantu cattle terms. They also have Barbary goats. This makes me wonder if the Khoisan may have domesticated cattle while they were in North Africa and migrated back into South Africa with these cattles. I an still researching this possibility.[/QUOTE]. Deckers' report was clear that Bos Indicus went from India to Africa < 4k. The report supports neither African origin nor out movement of Bos Indicus. Though posted above I will repost here for ease of access [list] [*][b]Indicine admixture in Africa[/b] African cattle also demonstrate a geographical gradient of indicine ancestry. Taurine cattle in western Africa possess from 0% to 19.9% indicine ancestry, with an average of 3.3%. [URL=http://underline]Moving from west to east and from south to central Africa, the percent of indicine ancestry increases from 22.7% to 74.1%[/URL], with an average of 56.9%. As we increased values of K to 10, 15, and 20, we revealed [URL=http://underscore]two clusters of indicine ancestry possibly resulting from the previously suggested two waves of [b]indicine importation into Africa, the first occurring in the second millennium BC[/b][/URL] and the second during and after the Islamic conquests. The presence of two separate clades of African cattle in Figure 4 also supports the idea of two waves of indicine introgression. [/list] Folk say anything is possible but all possibilities are not probable, as in your case of Dravidian Mande migration and cattle introduction, afaic. The report date places Zebu introduction to Africa in a time period possibly related to known Indian connections in Kush and Egypt basing myself on appearance of Hindu graves in the Nile Valley. (Is that thread still available?) I had it on my crashed ext stg but I can't find the thread where that Zebu discussion was held online. You still have access to it? The idea of Khoe or San like people as primary indigenous N Afrs has fell from grace but I'm not so sure it's totally incorrect because of things like you just brought up keep that possibility in mind as probable. Keep up your researches. Don't agree with much of them yet there are intriguing parts to it that are undeniably accurate from where I sit. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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